Somewhat OT I know, but thought I should share this
I recently needed to clear a sizeable area of thick brambles & weeds, glyphosate weedkiller was absolutely useless, the brambles just laughed it
off, I then discovered that although ammonium sulphamate is no longer sold as weedkiller, you can still buy it as a compost accelerator or fire
retardant! Anyway, I bought some & decided if I was going to burn the brambles away I'd better put some "fire retardant" on first,
wouldn't want a blaze to get out of hand eh!
Incredible, within a few days they were looking decidedly sheepish & within a week were clearly all dying or dead - 2 weeks on & they're
pretty much gone, what's more ammonium sulphamate decays to become ammonium sulphate, which is, guess what, a fertiliser, so you are actually
doing the soil good after about 3 months or so - it is also a brilliant compost accelerator, tried it in my compost bin (which is in the shade rather
than sun where it would work a lot better) & like magic, within a short space of time everything is lovely & mulchy - just leave it 3 months
or so b4 using as compost
Anyway, upshot of it all was that Ollie (who bought Furore Products from me) was so impressed he has now found a good supplier & decided to stock
it
he's selling on Ebay (don't think he has the ads up on the website yet) & I believe he's cheapest in the UK unless you were buying
in serious bulk, but as ever will always do you guys a better deal if you contact him direct (he's obuckle on here) - seriously, this isn't
just a sales pitch, this is the best weedkiller ever & was only banned by the EU due to paperwork, it does no harm to the environment &
doesn't cause the issues with wash off into waterways that glyphosate does, it's nowhere near as toxic! It also kills tree stumps & even
standing trees if applied correctly!
Link to Ebay ad for more info
Ooo sounds good I'm really tempted as the weeds in my garden are getting out of control. I kill one and two appear!
Can I use this on the weeds in the grass? I remember reading somewhere that you cant use some weed killer stuff as it kills the grass and poisons the
soil for years. 🙁
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Originally posted by Shiggins92
Ooo sounds good I'm really tempted as the weeds in my garden are getting out of control. I kill one and two appear!
Can I use this on the weeds in the grass? I remember reading somewhere that you cant use some weed killer stuff as it kills the grass and poisons the soil for years. 🙁
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Originally posted by russbost
No reason you couldn't use it on a lawn as long as it was applied carefully & make sure it only goes on what you want dead - if you spray the whole lawn you will have a dead lawn! In all seriousness if you sprayed weeds in the lawn, you might kill a bit of grass around the edges of the weed but I would imagine that would grow back pretty quickly
Apologies for misleading, I did say I'd not tried that! Like I said, it's a VERY good weedkiller, the soil it touches should remain perfectly fertile tho'!
Yes, it's a very good weedkiller. Not infallible, though - it has limited or nil effect on ivy and holly, in my experience (presumably not
absorbed through their shiny leaves).
It will break down eventually, but the land remains dead and infertile for many months afterwards... again, as you can see on my pic, there are
just the odd weeds starting to sprout about 3 months after application.
Also probably worth mentioning that its 'legal' job is as a compost accelerant, to break down vegetable matter. I have heard reports that
once it does break down to the point where things start to grow again, the weeds go absolutely berserk, as they're feeding on the broken-down
nutrients of what you've killed before.
Truth be told, it's probably been banned as a herbicide for good reason, and you've got to decide for yourself whether you want to make
repeated applications of the stuff to your land (I hate gardening with a passion, so I don't give a ****!).
If you want to kill weeds permanently and not get any regrowth even after a few months, I find that good, old-fashioned petrol does the job admirably,
but it poisons the land for a very long time (years, depending on the amount you apply) and it's only a bit cheaper than ammonium sulphamate,
these days.
It only takes around 3 months to break down, as you've pointed out you have weeds returning after around 3 months - so for areas you will later
want to plant in it's ideal, plus if you only spray green shoots, the rest of the ground stays fine (from experience - I've used it all
around a rose bed with no effect on the roses)
"Truth be told, it's probably been banned as a herbicide for good reason" - No, don't be silly this is the EU we're
talking about - the following taken from Wiki
"European Union licensing
The pesticides review by the European Union led to herbicides containing ammonium sulfamate becoming unlicensed, and therefore effectively banned,
from 2008. This situation arose as the Irish Rapporteur refused to review the data supplied unless it contained details of animal testing on dogs. As
there was already substantial animal data within the package supplied the data pack holder felt further tests without substantiation would cause
unnecessary animal suffering. Its licence was not withdrawn on grounds of safety or efficacy.
Its availability and use as a compost accelerator is unaffected by the EU's pesticide legislation"
I think it definitely must be safer & less toxic to the environment than spraying petrol around the garden!!! I'm sure there is some sort
of chemical reaction that can take place involving petrol & air - I just can't quite remember what it is ...........
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European Union licensing The pesticides review by the European Union led to herbicides containing ammonium sulfamate becoming unlicensed, and therefore effectively banned, from 2008. This situation arose as the Irish Rapporteur refused to review the data supplied unless it contained details of animal testing on dogs. As there was already substantial animal data within the package supplied the data pack holder felt further tests without substantiation would cause unnecessary animal suffering. Its licence was not withdrawn on grounds of safety or efficacy. Its availability and use as a compost accelerator is unaffected by the EU's pesticide legislation"
I did do some substantial research b4 I ever used the stuff!
As you don't like Wiki, do you prefer this from University of Hertfordshire
"Ammonium sulphamate is an inorganic general purpose herbicide. It is currently not approved for use in the EU. It is non-volatile and highly
soluble in water. It is not expected to persist in soil systems. Ammonium acetate has a low mammalian toxicity and there is some risk of
bioaccumulation. It is a recognised irritant. It tends to have a low toxicity to terrestrial and aquatic wildlife"
ANY weedkiller is going to leach into local soil - simply depends how much you use & when it next rains - personally I'd rather be using
something with low toxicity that's non-persistent .......... (not that I would ever use it as a weedkiller anyway - it's a flame retardant
& compost accelerator!)
Or this from a gardening specialist website comparing Ammonium Sulphamate with the current Glyphosate weedkillers
"We’ve had a raging debate on the forums about the safety of glyphosate. It’s a complex chemical and there are conflicting views about its safety
both environmentally and in its effects on human health.
My own view is that it is safe to use occasionally and carefully but not as safe as the simple, old fashioned ammonium sulphamate"
There is also some old debate on Pistonheads with loads of people recommending Ammonium Sulphamate - but please yourselves chaps, please don't
shoot the messenger, it was only a suggestion, based on personal experience!
Laugh Out Loud!!!!!! 10/10.
Just bought some.......
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Originally posted by Pigsy
Just bought some.......
Just ordered some will do a before and after, I have a path that weeds grow on so what to get rid
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Originally posted by russbost
I did do some substantial research b4 I ever used the stuff!
As you don't like Wiki, do you prefer this from University of Hertfordshire
"Ammonium sulphamate is an inorganic general purpose herbicide. It is currently not approved for use in the EU. It is non-volatile and highly soluble in water. It is not expected to persist in soil systems. Ammonium acetate has a low mammalian toxicity and there is some risk of bioaccumulation. It is a recognised irritant. It tends to have a low toxicity to terrestrial and aquatic wildlife"
ANY weedkiller is going to leach into local soil - simply depends how much you use & when it next rains - personally I'd rather be using something with
For those who do like the idea, cheaper source (much cheaper if you buy at 5kg or more) HERE
How is this stuff used? Add to a watering can? Whats the ratio for water v product?
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Originally posted by Sam_68
For those who do like the idea, cheaper source (much cheaper if you buy at 5kg or more) HERE
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Originally posted by number-1
How is this stuff used? Add to a watering can? Whats the ratio for water v product?
Dragging up an old thread I just found....
I've had a running battle with Brambles and Ivy for many years.
Ammonium Sulfamate is the only stuff that works.
Mix at 1kg per gallon of water.
I use a 10L sprayer, and from a suggestion on an allotment forum, add a cupful of industrial detergent to the 10L. The detergent I use I buy at
Toolstation, driveway cleaner I think. The detergent breaks the wax surface and gets the sulfamate into the ivy.
It takes a couple of sprays a couple of weeks apart to do the job with new ivy, but has to be repeated at 3 months for the old ivy with the thick
stems.. Spray in dry weather. Brambles are dead with one spray, in less than a week.