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russbost

posted on 26/6/18 at 01:34 PM Reply With Quote
Best weedkiller ever

Somewhat OT I know, but thought I should share this

I recently needed to clear a sizeable area of thick brambles & weeds, glyphosate weedkiller was absolutely useless, the brambles just laughed it off, I then discovered that although ammonium sulphamate is no longer sold as weedkiller, you can still buy it as a compost accelerator or fire retardant! Anyway, I bought some & decided if I was going to burn the brambles away I'd better put some "fire retardant" on first, wouldn't want a blaze to get out of hand eh!

Incredible, within a few days they were looking decidedly sheepish & within a week were clearly all dying or dead - 2 weeks on & they're pretty much gone, what's more ammonium sulphamate decays to become ammonium sulphate, which is, guess what, a fertiliser, so you are actually doing the soil good after about 3 months or so - it is also a brilliant compost accelerator, tried it in my compost bin (which is in the shade rather than sun where it would work a lot better) & like magic, within a short space of time everything is lovely & mulchy - just leave it 3 months or so b4 using as compost

Anyway, upshot of it all was that Ollie (who bought Furore Products from me) was so impressed he has now found a good supplier & decided to stock it
he's selling on Ebay (don't think he has the ads up on the website yet) & I believe he's cheapest in the UK unless you were buying in serious bulk, but as ever will always do you guys a better deal if you contact him direct (he's obuckle on here) - seriously, this isn't just a sales pitch, this is the best weedkiller ever & was only banned by the EU due to paperwork, it does no harm to the environment & doesn't cause the issues with wash off into waterways that glyphosate does, it's nowhere near as toxic! It also kills tree stumps & even standing trees if applied correctly!

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Shiggins92

posted on 26/6/18 at 03:46 PM Reply With Quote
Ooo sounds good I'm really tempted as the weeds in my garden are getting out of control. I kill one and two appear!

Can I use this on the weeds in the grass? I remember reading somewhere that you cant use some weed killer stuff as it kills the grass and poisons the soil for years. 🙁

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russbost

posted on 26/6/18 at 04:04 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Shiggins92
Ooo sounds good I'm really tempted as the weeds in my garden are getting out of control. I kill one and two appear!

Can I use this on the weeds in the grass? I remember reading somewhere that you cant use some weed killer stuff as it kills the grass and poisons the soil for years. 🙁


Basically it will kill anything green & leafy that it lands on, grass is actually some of the hardest stuff to kill & about the only thing I've found that needed a second application - the weedkiller is "systemic" which means it gets taken in & right down to the roots, so kills the whole weed, not just what's on the surface.

No reason you couldn't use it on a lawn as long as it was applied carefully & make sure it only goes on what you want dead - if you spray the whole lawn you will have a dead lawn! In all seriousness if you sprayed weeds in the lawn, you might kill a bit of grass around the edges of the weed but I would imagine that would grow back pretty quickly





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Sam_68

posted on 26/6/18 at 05:46 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by russbost
No reason you couldn't use it on a lawn as long as it was applied carefully & make sure it only goes on what you want dead - if you spray the whole lawn you will have a dead lawn! In all seriousness if you sprayed weeds in the lawn, you might kill a bit of grass around the edges of the weed but I would imagine that would grow back pretty quickly

I use this stuff.

This is a picture, about 3 months on, of what will happen if you follow Russ's advice:



Apologies for the scruffiness of the surviving grass; it's at the 'wild' end of my garden - I certainly wouldn't use the stuff anywhere near anything I wanted to remain neat.

Use with caution, and make sure that even the slightest amount of it only touches the stuff you want dead. If you use it to spray individual weeds in a lawn, you'll end up with saucer-sized spots of dead grass, pretty much no matter how careful you are

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russbost

posted on 26/6/18 at 06:55 PM Reply With Quote
Apologies for misleading, I did say I'd not tried that! Like I said, it's a VERY good weedkiller, the soil it touches should remain perfectly fertile tho'!





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Sam_68

posted on 27/6/18 at 08:14 AM Reply With Quote
Yes, it's a very good weedkiller. Not infallible, though - it has limited or nil effect on ivy and holly, in my experience (presumably not absorbed through their shiny leaves).

It will break down eventually, but the land remains dead and infertile for many months afterwards... again, as you can see on my pic, there are just the odd weeds starting to sprout about 3 months after application.

Also probably worth mentioning that its 'legal' job is as a compost accelerant, to break down vegetable matter. I have heard reports that once it does break down to the point where things start to grow again, the weeds go absolutely berserk, as they're feeding on the broken-down nutrients of what you've killed before.

Truth be told, it's probably been banned as a herbicide for good reason, and you've got to decide for yourself whether you want to make repeated applications of the stuff to your land (I hate gardening with a passion, so I don't give a ****!).

If you want to kill weeds permanently and not get any regrowth even after a few months, I find that good, old-fashioned petrol does the job admirably, but it poisons the land for a very long time (years, depending on the amount you apply) and it's only a bit cheaper than ammonium sulphamate, these days.

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russbost

posted on 27/6/18 at 08:39 AM Reply With Quote
It only takes around 3 months to break down, as you've pointed out you have weeds returning after around 3 months - so for areas you will later want to plant in it's ideal, plus if you only spray green shoots, the rest of the ground stays fine (from experience - I've used it all around a rose bed with no effect on the roses)

"Truth be told, it's probably been banned as a herbicide for good reason" - No, don't be silly this is the EU we're talking about - the following taken from Wiki

"European Union licensing
The pesticides review by the European Union led to herbicides containing ammonium sulfamate becoming unlicensed, and therefore effectively banned, from 2008. This situation arose as the Irish Rapporteur refused to review the data supplied unless it contained details of animal testing on dogs. As there was already substantial animal data within the package supplied the data pack holder felt further tests without substantiation would cause unnecessary animal suffering. Its licence was not withdrawn on grounds of safety or efficacy.

Its availability and use as a compost accelerator is unaffected by the EU's pesticide legislation"

I think it definitely must be safer & less toxic to the environment than spraying petrol around the garden!!! I'm sure there is some sort of chemical reaction that can take place involving petrol & air - I just can't quite remember what it is ...........





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posted on 27/6/18 at 08:50 AM Reply With Quote
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European Union licensing The pesticides review by the European Union led to herbicides containing ammonium sulfamate becoming unlicensed, and therefore effectively banned, from 2008. This situation arose as the Irish Rapporteur refused to review the data supplied unless it contained details of animal testing on dogs. As there was already substantial animal data within the package supplied the data pack holder felt further tests without substantiation would cause unnecessary animal suffering. Its licence was not withdrawn on grounds of safety or efficacy. Its availability and use as a compost accelerator is unaffected by the EU's pesticide legislation"



With no reference, no detail and zero scientific justification. Beware that Wiki is full of nonsense from people with an agenda

Personally killing off my soil for at least 3 months, with unknown leaching distance into good areas, seems like a pretty risky route unless you just need to clear some knot weed from an already decimated area.





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russbost

posted on 27/6/18 at 09:10 AM Reply With Quote
I did do some substantial research b4 I ever used the stuff!

As you don't like Wiki, do you prefer this from University of Hertfordshire

"Ammonium sulphamate is an inorganic general purpose herbicide. It is currently not approved for use in the EU. It is non-volatile and highly soluble in water. It is not expected to persist in soil systems. Ammonium acetate has a low mammalian toxicity and there is some risk of bioaccumulation. It is a recognised irritant. It tends to have a low toxicity to terrestrial and aquatic wildlife"

ANY weedkiller is going to leach into local soil - simply depends how much you use & when it next rains - personally I'd rather be using something with low toxicity that's non-persistent .......... (not that I would ever use it as a weedkiller anyway - it's a flame retardant & compost accelerator!)

Or this from a gardening specialist website comparing Ammonium Sulphamate with the current Glyphosate weedkillers

"Weve had a raging debate on the forums about the safety of glyphosate. Its a complex chemical and there are conflicting views about its safety both environmentally and in its effects on human health.

My own view is that it is safe to use occasionally and carefully but not as safe as the simple, old fashioned ammonium sulphamate"

There is also some old debate on Pistonheads with loads of people recommending Ammonium Sulphamate - but please yourselves chaps, please don't shoot the messenger, it was only a suggestion, based on personal experience!





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Pigsy

posted on 28/6/18 at 10:59 PM Reply With Quote
Laugh Out Loud!!!!!! 10/10.
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Pigsy

posted on 28/6/18 at 11:02 PM Reply With Quote
Just bought some.......
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russbost

posted on 29/6/18 at 07:10 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Pigsy
Just bought some.......


If you accidentally spill some on any weeds, do let us know the results!





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Dopdog

posted on 29/6/18 at 07:25 AM Reply With Quote
Just ordered some will do a before and after, I have a path that weeds grow on so what to get rid
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coyoteboy

posted on 29/6/18 at 12:59 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by russbost
I did do some substantial research b4 I ever used the stuff!

As you don't like Wiki, do you prefer this from University of Hertfordshire

"Ammonium sulphamate is an inorganic general purpose herbicide. It is currently not approved for use in the EU. It is non-volatile and highly soluble in water. It is not expected to persist in soil systems. Ammonium acetate has a low mammalian toxicity and there is some risk of bioaccumulation. It is a recognised irritant. It tends to have a low toxicity to terrestrial and aquatic wildlife"

ANY weedkiller is going to leach into local soil - simply depends how much you use & when it next rains - personally I'd rather be using something with




I've no problem with it being used, just don't trust baseless wiki results or gardening companies with next to no scientific basis. The thought of a bio-accumulative pesticide with mammalian toxicity in my veg patch is a bit worrying, personally.





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Sam_68

posted on 29/6/18 at 03:48 PM Reply With Quote
For those who do like the idea, cheaper source (much cheaper if you buy at 5kg or more) HERE
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number-1

posted on 29/6/18 at 05:01 PM Reply With Quote
How is this stuff used? Add to a watering can? Whats the ratio for water v product?
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russbost

posted on 29/6/18 at 05:18 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Sam_68
For those who do like the idea, cheaper source (much cheaper if you buy at 5kg or more) HERE


Errrr, ummmmm, Sam, that's the same supplier!!! & as I've already pointed out he will give additional discount to LCB'ers when dealing direct rather than thro' the website or Ebay Just contact him on here obuckle, or email him info@furoreproducts.co.uk





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russbost

posted on 29/6/18 at 05:22 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by number-1
How is this stuff used? Add to a watering can? Whats the ratio for water v product?


As a compost accelerator you would mix 200g of product to 1 litre water, for most weeds I think you'd find half that concentration adequate, for tough woody things like brambles & for stuff like grass (not much "leaf" area to get the product onto) I'd stick to 200g/litre. I use a large sprayer, if using a watering can, then unless you have a very fine rose I'd go for half the concentration, maybe even 1/3.

It works quite quickly so easy to see how its doing, I'd say my stuff was looking very sad within a week & very dead within 2!





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