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Indybird88 - 27/6/17 at 05:38 PM

His guys and girls.

Having a bit of issue with my bird indy.

First off, has anyone with a blackbird carb model running it without an air box? If so how ?

Basically I have an issue when driving it will not rev over 4k, it bogs and fouls a lot.

I've read a lot about airbox differential pressure with the carbs and needing an airbox I'm getting stumped I'm running bike fuel pump with regulator and I've got a facet too no different I've tried a lot of things but I'm running out of optons. I just want to know if it will work if I need an airbox.

Any help would be great even if someone is close by with one.

Liam


CosKev3 - 27/6/17 at 06:13 PM

Has it been rejetted?


Indybird88 - 27/6/17 at 06:24 PM

Not yet no but it won't even rev properly standstill. It bogs droppe's the revs then picks up again. I know it will need re jetting but surely not to just run?


ian locostzx9rc2 - 27/6/17 at 06:39 PM

Sounds like the carbs need cleaning


CosKev3 - 27/6/17 at 06:40 PM

No airbox could well be the issue as you think,as it's just like running a open foam filter.

Have you got a manifold on it?


Indybird88 - 27/6/17 at 08:03 PM

Yeh I've got two set of carbs both spotless.

Do you mean in or ex manifold? Its a blackbird engine so bolt on.

May I ask what happens with an open foam filter?

[Edited on 27/6/17 by Indybird88]


CosKev3 - 27/6/17 at 08:15 PM

Just causes running issues until the carbs are rejetted correctly.
Exhaust manifold also alters the way the engines run,the ones used in a car set up

[Edited on 27/6/17 by CosKev3]


Indybird88 - 27/6/17 at 08:33 PM

Yeh I have a Scottish kit car manifold. So do you think if I reject it it would rev properly without the filter?

Thanks for your help so far


feckn7 - 27/6/17 at 09:26 PM

I have a carb'd blackbird and have found that they are very fussy when it comes to jetting.
Changed the muffler - re-jet the carbs and adjust needle height.
Changed filter from socks to large UniFilter unit - re-jet the carbs and adjust needle height

When I had the sock filters I had to go quite big jets. The UniFilter - smaller jets (but still bigger than standard)
As my filter(s) are protruding through the bonnet and in the airflow, I found the UniFilter to work better as its effectively a large foam airbox which seems to give the carbs less disturbed air.


CosKev3 - 27/6/17 at 09:27 PM

It's hard to say for sure,but bike carbs/engines do behave strangely in a lot of cases once fitted in a car until the fueling is sorted correctly


CosKev3 - 27/6/17 at 09:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by feckn7
I have a carb'd blackbird and have found that they are very fussy when it comes to jetting.
Changed the muffler - re-jet the carbs and adjust needle height.
Changed filter from socks to large UniFilter unit - re-jet the carbs and adjust needle height

When I had the sock filters I had to go quite big jets. The UniFilter - smaller jets (but still bigger than standard)
As my filter(s) are protruding through the bonnet and in the airflow, I found the UniFilter to work better as its effectively a large foam airbox which seems to give the carbs less disturbed air.


There you go someone with some Blackbird specific info/experience!


Angel Acevedo - 27/6/17 at 10:26 PM

Line of action.
- Clean
- Adjust float height.
- Ensure equal jets all carbs.
- Verify accel enrichment pump dumping fuel.
- Ensure equal butterfly opening.
- balance carbs.
- adjust Idle.
- Adjust mixture (is it possible on those carbs?)
Then you may go about working on jet size...
There are a couple of ways...
Old school reading plugs
or Rolling Road..
HTH


Indybird88 - 28/6/17 at 08:33 PM

Thanks guys for the help. I need to get in touch with dynojet then.

So is it a bit like mapping out an air box with the jets?

Sorry to be dumb.


feckn7 - 28/6/17 at 09:52 PM

There's a fair bit of trial and error involved.

The standard jets on my Blackbird are 142 for 1 & 4 and 145 for 2 & 3

When I had the sock filters and my first exhaust system I ended up with 162 on all 4 with the needles raised (washers as my jets don't have a series of slots)
Changing the muffler required re-jetting to 156 (I think) and the needles lowered slightly. Changing the filter then required re-jetting again (152 from memory) and the needles back at standard.

Also had to adjust the idle jet screws each time.

It's still not perfect - running a little rich, but I'm happy with how it goes. Running a little rich is a lot safer than running lean