John Bonnett
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 08:06 AM |
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DVLA Rules on Rebodying
Before embarking on my next project, I intend asking the DVLA for clarification but I just wondered if anyone has recently been down this route and
knows the current situation on rebodying regs to avoid IVA.
Whilst I always understood that you need 8 points of which the unmodified chassis is 5 I've just heard from a friend that it is now mandatory to
retain the donor car's bulkhead which has the VIN plate as well as no modifications to the original chasis.
Once I've spoken to the DVLA I will post their answer which I hope will be definitive.
John
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scootz
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 08:09 AM |
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What kind of car John?
It's Evolution Baby!
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 08:11 AM |
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Well, the master plan is to use a triumph Spitfire chassis and all running gear and build an aluminium body for it along the lines of a Jaguar C
type.
John
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mcerd1
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 08:12 AM |
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you definatly need to keep the unmodified chassis with its VIN - not sure about the bulkhead itself though...
my mate built a blitz 4x4 (SJ based) a few years back, it uses the std. suzuki chassis and he kept the donors reg.
(I don't think the rules have changed)
[Edited on 28/1/2011 by mcerd1]
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indykid
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 08:24 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by John Bonnett
Once I've spoken to the DVLA I will post their answer which I hope will be definitive.
John
I love your optimism!
Good luck......
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 08:55 AM |
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quote: I love your optimism!
Yes, you're absolutley right remembering the confusion and conflicting information from VOSA and the DVLA over whether an MOT was necessary in
addition to SVA.
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 09:05 AM |
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Have you seen these, based on the herald. Pretty car I think....
SAMMIO SPYDER BODYSHELLS / 1950'S INSPIRED SPORTS CARS on eBay (end time 05-Feb-11 18:06:22 GMT)
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Wadders
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 09:10 AM |
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Nice..... but they seem to have forgotten something!
Al 
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Have you seen these, based on the herald. Pretty car I think....
SAMMIO SPYDER BODYSHELLS / 1950'S INSPIRED SPORTS CARS on eBay (end time 05-Feb-11 18:06:22 GMT)
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marcjagman
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 09:14 AM |
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I put a Stag body on a Range Rover chassis and I kept the Range Rover's ID as was classed as re-bodied.
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designer
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 09:19 AM |
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I don't know about keeping the bulkhead.
The Spitfire has a separate chassis and body so the VIN number, I would think, belongs with the chassis.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 09:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Have you seen these, based on the herald. Pretty car I think....
SAMMIO SPYDER BODYSHELLS / 1950'S INSPIRED SPORTS CARS on eBay (end time 05-Feb-11 18:06:22 GMT)
I really like that, though not overly keen on the upward looking headlamps on the green one. VW Beetle lamps I suspect. Bit of a shame the
underlying chassis and suspension is not exactly the most "sporting".
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 10:07 AM |
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Yes, I agree the Sammio is a very pretty car, apparently easy to build with none of the expense and hassle of IVA. Heralds are still available and
relatively cheap on Ebay so an on-the-road-price of under £1500 could be very realistic.
It was interesting to see that they retain the Herald bulkhead which does support information from my friend that keeping the bulkhead is
mandatory.
We'll see what the DVLA has to say.
John
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 10:42 AM |
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quote:
I really like that, though not overly keen on the upward looking headlamps on the green one. VW Beetle lamps I suspect. Bit of a shame the
underlying chassis and suspension is not exactly the most "sporting".
front suspension is VERY good. Rears can be improved quite easily, or made a lot better with a little more effort.
A friend regularly beats a ginetta, BMW and my car (though that is to heavy) on grass autotests in a lightly tweeked but knackered engined herald,
just depends what you mean by sporting
In fact the sammio idea is good as the bolt-on frame should stiffen the chassis considerably. I think the factory example being sold at 5k+ is rather
over-priced though!
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 11:57 AM |
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Just to get the thread back on track, I just spoken to the DVLA and I understand that providing the 8 points are achieved including using an
unmodified chassis no IVA is required. No mention was made about using the bulkhead of the donor. The lady from the DVLA is going to send me the
guidance notes.
It all seems quite straightforward but things never are where the DVLA is concerned.
[Edited on 28/1/11 by John Bonnett]
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 12:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Have you seen these, based on the herald. Pretty car I think....
SAMMIO SPYDER BODYSHELLS / 1950'S INSPIRED SPORTS CARS on eBay (end time 05-Feb-11 18:06:22 GMT)
Thanks alot! My next projec twas going to be spridget or spitfire but i am now really drawn to that! 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 12:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Have you seen these, based on the herald. Pretty car I think....
SAMMIO SPYDER BODYSHELLS / 1950'S INSPIRED SPORTS CARS on eBay (end time 05-Feb-11 18:06:22 GMT)
Thanks alot! My next projec twas going to be spridget or spitfire but i am now really drawn to that!
If you want some spitfire experince pop over and have a go at welding mine up Currently defrosting cold fingers, one sill repair almost done.
On a serious note, if you getinvolved with Triumphs, give me a call, we have a monthly meet in Ringmer, and I am also involved with this lot
http://www.eastbourneandrammc.co.uk/page2.htm
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stevebubs
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 12:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marcjagman
I put a Stag body on a Range Rover chassis and I kept the Range Rover's ID as was classed as re-bodied.
Pictures?
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stevebubs
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 12:50 PM |
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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 03:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Have you seen these, based on the herald. Pretty car I think....
SAMMIO SPYDER BODYSHELLS / 1950'S INSPIRED SPORTS CARS on eBay (end time 05-Feb-11 18:06:22 GMT)
Thanks alot! My next projec twas going to be spridget or spitfire but i am now really drawn to that!
If you want some spitfire experince pop over and have a go at welding mine up Currently defrosting cold fingers, one sill repair almost done.
On a serious note, if you getinvolved with Triumphs, give me a call, we have a monthly meet in Ringmer, and I am also involved with this lot
http://www.eastbourneandrammc.co.uk/page2.htm
Never knew there was a motor club in east sussex lol!
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 28/1/11 at 03:27 PM |
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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199
Thank Steve, that was what I understood from my conversation with the DVLA this morning. No mention of having to retain the donor's bulkhead. In
actual fact keeping at least part of the bulkhead could make the build simpler and give something solid to pick up on. This might avoid the dreaded
scuttle shake.
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iank
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| posted on 29/1/11 at 09:01 AM |
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Sounds like confusion with the mini people who fit bigger engines and need to cut the bulkhead to get bits in.
DVLA has ruled that is a modification to the chassis so needs IVA.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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iank
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| posted on 29/1/11 at 09:20 AM |
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Just found this. Claims to be VOSA's view.
http://www.the-ace.org.uk/Chassis-and-Monocoque-Modification.html
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 31/1/11 at 07:41 AM |
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My thanks to IanK for aking the trouble to find the relevant regs covering re-bodying and radically modified vehicles. I have also received
clarification from Sammio Spyder Cars which explains why they retain the bulkhead. An extract from the reply follows:
"It isn't necessary to keep the bulkhead - I do that for ease of build ..a de-bodied Herald with its bulkhead still attached still has
brakes , steering etc...this saves a lot of time for the home builder and keeps the build relatively easy...
Also , I like the fact that you don't have to move the chassis plate from its original position..."
So, I think I can safely bin the whole Spitfire bodywork and start with a clean sheet.
My thanks to everyone who has replied.
John
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iank
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| posted on 31/1/11 at 08:03 PM |
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Was just looking at the Sammio Spyder the other day. Are you going for the new cobra style nose or the original style?
The only thing that puts me off (besides the misses wanting to buy a bigger house) is the rear suspension woes of the spitfire, though I see there are
now proper solutions for that these days that are better than the rotoflex.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 31/1/11 at 09:37 PM |
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Although I like the Sammio Spyder very much it does not, in my opinion, lend itself to being shortened to fit the Spitfire chassis; I think it looks
too short and stubby. Gary at Sammio has shortened a body to suit so see what you think.
linky
Having got the Spitfire, I'm stuck with that and need to come up with a shape that looks in proportion.
I'm planning on building a double curvature all enveloping aluminium body that will sit on a standard chassis to retain the Triumph's
identity and to avoid IVA. The Spitfire has a wheelbase of only 83 inches and a track of 48 inches so there we have the problem. The Spitfire
doesn't look stubby which I think is due to it being low so whatever I build will have to be low as well.
My original plan was to use a Reliant Kitten as a basis for an MG TF but the Reliant didn't materialise and also suffered from a short chassis
(similar in length to the Spitfire). I had planned on putting 10 inches into it but that would have involved going through IVA so I had to bin that
one.
I'm not going to try to build a replica but I have been trawling the specifications of 1960s sportscars for inspiration. I do have one in mind
as a basis so the next step is to make a scale model and see what it looks like.
John
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