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Shooter63

posted on 28/1/16 at 10:39 PM Reply With Quote
Javelin sprint series?

Hi all,

As the msa now require Rops on a kit car ( I can't fit one without hacking lumps out of the bodywork ) I had given up on the idea, but I've come across the above series. Has anybody ever competed and what did/ do you think of it?

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daniel mason

posted on 28/1/16 at 11:40 PM Reply With Quote
A few do but I think it's not competitive - class structures not as per msa - safety standards not to msa
I may do the odd event in the Jedi but won't be doing the full series.
Have you read the regs on ROPS in the blue book? What class do you usually run in?

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mark chandler

posted on 28/1/16 at 11:58 PM Reply With Quote
I get a bit confused with all this wanting to compete but not wanting to meet the basic safety requirements, it has been massively lax for years IMHO.

Surely hacking your bodywork is a couple of carefully placed holes for your own benefit if required?

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skydivepaul

posted on 29/1/16 at 01:38 PM Reply With Quote
Will let you know In april. Just signed up for the blyton event
I have done a few track days with javelin in the past and they always put on a good clubman event
It's a good way to get into a bit of motorsport competition without having to go the full blown route of a full series championship
As for safety regs you should be responsible for your own safety and take the appropriate measures for yourself, whatever they may be

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daniel mason

posted on 29/1/16 at 03:22 PM Reply With Quote
I'm also thinking of Blyton but I'm testing there on March 4th and it's a long way to travel. I'm also there early in the season and for the full weekend with wscc in July
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skydivepaul

posted on 29/1/16 at 04:26 PM Reply With Quote
Hi Daniel, give me a shout if you're going and will meet up for a natter.
I am going to Franks trackday on the 18th at Blyton as well
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daniel mason

posted on 29/1/16 at 04:36 PM Reply With Quote
Will do. Ive posted interest on the Facebook page,and a pic or 2.and saw your boxter. Looks nice!
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skydivepaul

posted on 29/1/16 at 05:05 PM Reply With Quote
Cheers Daniel, your car is looking good also
As stated I will probably be in the hairdressers paddock





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daniel mason

posted on 29/1/16 at 05:19 PM Reply With Quote
I imagine it being a free for all where parking is concerned!
But I think the paddock has been tidied up and Tarmac laid so hopefully we won't be collecting rather large rocks in our slicks like previous years

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will121

posted on 29/1/16 at 07:08 PM Reply With Quote
I've been to a couple of times to javelin sprints at snetterton and cadwell to help a friend seem well organised and about 6 to 8 runs, think some of the lesser safety standard on basis of only one car in section at a time less chance of car on car but still a chance to push, lots depending on tyres in what can be a 1 mile run
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Shooter63

posted on 29/1/16 at 08:42 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
A few do but I think it's not competitive - class structures not as per msa - safety standards not to msa
I may do the odd event in the Jedi but won't be doing the full series.
Have you read the regs on ROPS in the blue book? What class do you usually run in?


I bought the car mainly for the road, it has got a rollbar but it doesn't confirm to the new regs, the back stays are not at 30 degrees and without cutting into the bodywork, I can't make the angle, if I did cut the body then the hood won't fit.


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daniel mason

posted on 29/1/16 at 08:50 PM Reply With Quote
It's a shame really. Can you not fit a cage? Possibly a tonneau cover for if it rains
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Shooter63

posted on 30/1/16 at 12:49 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
It's a shame really. Can you not fit a cage? Possibly a tonneau cover for if it rains


Unfortunately due to getting old (53) plus a permanent back problem just the thought of bending and folding to get into a fully caged car sends me looking for the pain killers
I have seen a Rops that was fitted through the boot opening, If I can make it a bolt in system then I could live with that, but I'm not sure the the msa would be ok with that idea.
Since these problems have arisen my mrs classic mini is looking very tempting as an alternative

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daniel mason

posted on 30/1/16 at 06:46 PM Reply With Quote
The rear stay on my Jedi is bolted to the roll hoop!
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jeffw

posted on 30/1/16 at 07:29 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shooter63


Unfortunately due to getting old (53) plus a permanent back problem just the thought of bending and folding to get into a fully caged car sends me looking for the pain killers
I have seen a Rops that was fitted through the boot opening, If I can make it a bolt in system then I could live with that, but I'm not sure the the msa would be ok with that idea.
Since these problems have arisen my mrs classic mini is looking very tempting as an alternative

Shooter


I'm in the process of having a roll hoop fitted to the Phoenix which will bolt in (as per the Blue Book) so it is possible.






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daniel mason

posted on 30/1/16 at 07:41 PM Reply With Quote
Are you going full cage Jeff?
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jeffw

posted on 30/1/16 at 10:06 PM Reply With Quote
No. just a rear hoop (45mm tube) with the back stays. Had to cut the rear bodywork out on the Phoenix to fit it....seriously hacked off at that !






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daniel mason

posted on 30/1/16 at 10:11 PM Reply With Quote
It's a real pain for some I must admit!
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mark chandler

posted on 30/1/16 at 11:57 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
The rear stay on my Jedi is bolted to the roll hoop!


From the book

"Demountable joints must not be used as part of a main, front or lateral rollbar because they act as hinges in the principal structure and allow deformation. Their use is solely for attaching members to the rollbar"


I read this as detatchable stays being okay as long as you use the approved methods, although not usual to see these in a caterham style car, best gave a chat with the scrutineers before you start sprinting again.

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daniel mason

posted on 31/1/16 at 12:01 AM Reply With Quote
All jedis are same and comply
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Doctor Derek Doctors

posted on 31/1/16 at 07:22 AM Reply With Quote
Jedi's were homologated way back when that was acceptable in the rules. They also have there pedls in front of the axle line. Once a design is homologated you can carry on building cars and racing them to that design.

Although my car is very similar size to a Jedi it has to conform to the newest regs so ends up with a much beefier roll hoop with a large diameter fixed rear stay.

I think a lot of the problem with kit cars and new ROPS regs (especially for Westfield) is that nobody bothered to homologate the designs when they were done so they are now no longer legal. If I had forked out for a Westfield RAC/MSA roll hoop and then found out that they weren't homologated and now illegal to use I would be pretty livid.

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ali f27

posted on 31/1/16 at 09:31 AM Reply With Quote
I too am thinking about javelin sprints i run in road class 2d and believe that i will have to run on 1a tyres rules unclear yet and do away with my 2 roll hoops cobra style then build a new roll frame cannot go to full cage as Jane cannot get into one so 4 sets of tyres to throw away new set to buy new hoop to buy new boot lid to accomodate rear stays possibly 1000 pound to stay in the game and next year i believe i will have to run with hans so new helmet to get hans posts and hans harness 800 900 pounds and throw away 3 year old unmarked helmet l love hillclimbs sprints really great bunch of people there again no chance of falling out as only 1 car on track at a time no car on car bumps i am not against having rules and i am all for safety motor racing will always have its risks just come a point when ordinary people get priced out and young people cannot get in
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jeffw

posted on 31/1/16 at 10:43 AM Reply With Quote
And breath.....

What car do you have?

Kitcars in road going now need to comply with ROPS regs (minimum 45mm roll hoop with back stays) and use the 2016 list 1b (or 1a) tyres. You do not need a FHR (HANS) in road going.

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ali f27

posted on 31/1/16 at 11:25 AM Reply With Quote
Hi Jeff take your point on breath, I have Kumho v70a so list 1 c now and 2 roll hoops like cobra so new frame with back stays required. i cannot just throw away 1200 pounds worth of tyres . And i am sure that hans is going to be for every thing post 1976 next year all my tyres are road legal and e marked, we all need more lead time on the rule changes. Any money i spend on these changes every year means i enter less events so the money is not going into events and clubs so reducing their income. I can see the merit in the rops issue the tyre one is bonkers.
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jeffw

posted on 31/1/16 at 12:26 PM Reply With Quote
Right....for MSA competition you need the ROPS changed.

Then you can either continue to use your 1C tyres in Modified Specialist Production but you will need a FHR or
Continue in Road-going Specialist Production and change to List 1B tyres (Avon ZZS, Toyo R888 or R888R etc)

them the choices for MSA competition.






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