John Bonnett
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 10:02 AM |
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Has anyone built or are building a NEW car?
With the Triumph just about finished I'm thinking about the next project and one thought is to build a new car with a current registration.
The Triumph project has cost serious money with a lot going on uprating an antique engine. There are huge advantages in modern technology;
reliability, performance and price being just some of them. So I'm thinking about going down this route much in the same way as Ant Anstead.
I've not waded through the IVA regulations in relation to registering a vehicle as new but it must be doable. So I just wondered if anyone has
considered this route and could perhaps let me know.
Thank you,
John
[Edited on 26/3/16 by John Bonnett]
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hkp57
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 10:39 AM |
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You can build a car as New and get a current number plate as I did.
Rules are is every part must be new with the exception of one major component (normally the engine or gearbox), that one major component must be
refurbished to an as new condition.
You need to document and keep receipts for all the parts
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 11:13 AM |
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Thank you for your reply. Excellent. Bodywork is my thing so my thoughts are to buy a chassis, running gear and fit a bespoke aluminium body.
A little way off yet but it all looks quite promising.
John
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adithorp
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 12:44 PM |
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Mine was registered on a new reg. All parts have to be new with the exception of one which can be reconditioned as new. You have to use form v267
"declaration that vehicle is new" and form v627/1 "built up vehicle inspection report" when registering along with receipts
for the parts. The V627 only asks for the origin of the major components (chassis/bodyshell, axles (both), transmission, steering assembly, engine,
suspension(f+r)) so effectively only those need to be new.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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907
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 12:47 PM |
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Hi John.
You mention "serious money" and "price" in your post so I assume this is a major consideration.
For each and every one of us that final figure may be reached in differing ways, even though that figure may
be similar for many of us.
Things that some of us can do, or can research and understand so that we can gain the skills necessary, others
may find impossible to tackle. Very few builders can do all the aspects of a car scratch build.
In my case compare the cost of my chassis (£145 for box & tube) and bodywork (£250 for 7off 2x1's) with what
I spent (£450 on R/R, change fuel pump & Filter King) on setting up my Dellorto's. They cost more than the body &
chassis, simply because I couldn't do them myself.
I dread to think what it costs to buy every (well almost) part new.  And just for the sake of a new plate.
If reliability is the issue then just build with a low millage modern engine. BMW, Mazda, VW etc.
( Whoops, I apear to have not included anything British.  )
Just my ramblings.
Happy Easter
Paul G
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 01:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 907
Hi John.
You mention "serious money" and "price" in your post so I assume this is a major consideration.
For each and every one of us that final figure may be reached in differing ways, even though that figure may
be similar for many of us.
Things that some of us can do, or can research and understand so that we can gain the skills necessary, others
may find impossible to tackle. Very few builders can do all the aspects of a car scratch build.
In my case compare the cost of my chassis (£145 for box & tube) and bodywork (£250 for 7off 2x1's) with what
I spent (£450 on R/R, change fuel pump & Filter King) on setting up my Dellorto's. They cost more than the body &
chassis, simply because I couldn't do them myself.
I dread to think what it costs to buy every (well almost) part new. And just for the sake of a new plate.
If reliability is the issue then just build with a low millage modern engine. BMW, Mazda, VW etc.
( Whoops, I apear to have not included anything British. )
Just my ramblings.
Happy Easter
Paul G
Thank you Adi. All quite straightforward although I'm not sure where we would be with insurance. Obviously not a problem if building a known
make like a Sylva or Caterham but for a home build I'd have to check.
Paul, thank you for your good wishes and mine to you and your family for a very happy Easter. And thank you too for your thoughts; definitely not
ramblings.
I've really taken to making panels and have been very encouraged by the sheer beauty of my Triumph. My thoughts are to build a similar in size
or even smaller fixed head coupé with a bespoke aluminium double curvature body.
I would like to avoid a Q plate and as I see it I would have to either start with a donor and get the eight points to retain the registration or build
new and be given a current registration. Otherwise it will be a Q plate. If I take the former route I would have to use a forty year old chassis and a
lot of the old original stuff to get sufficient points and this is not a cheap option coupled with questionable quality after market parts. I believe
crated Zetec engines are quite reasonably priced, are lightweight and offer modern performance. I'd be going for IRS but I would imagine new
alloy diff casings are available for the English diff. Chassis, wishbones and all the rest of the running gear is available new. So it is doable for a
price. I'd have to do a few sums to estimate the bottom line but I doubt it will be hugely more than the GT6 has cost.
Best wishes
John
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Ugg10
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 01:44 PM |
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Why not go down the repanel route, modern donor, strip off all the panels that are not part of the monocoque and replace them with ally panels. This
gets round iva so long as you do not cut the monocoque. This is then a rebody only requiring a dvla inspection iirc. Common bases for these are the
mx5, z3 but an s2000 would be a good start.
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Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 01:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
Why not go down the repanel route, modern donor, strip off all the panels that are not part of the monocoque and replace them with ally panels. This
gets round iva so long as you do not cut the monocoque. This is then a rebody only requiring a dvla inspection iirc. Common bases for these are the
mx5, z3 but an s2000 would be a good start.
That's a very good thought particularly as MX5's are very available and not expensive. Well worth looking into. Thank you.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 02:52 PM |
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There currently seems to be an abundance of these probably due to the availability of rwd donors and the iva cost/hassle.
If you want inspiration Google ribble for spitfire/herald/scimitar rebodies but these will have the same mechanical issues. There are also 60's
classic inspiresed cars based on mx5 at tribute automotive, there also used to be a lancia 037 basen on a beta but I would forget about the z3 based
cobra replica (sorry but you cannot Unsee what you have already seen), also have a search for bertini (z3) and widow cars (mx5), then there is the mev
mevx5.
There is also a couple of mgtf based ones if you want rear/mid engine, if this is interesting then mr2 +camry v6 is a well understood mod. There is a
Ferrari Dino on a mr2 iirc out there, think it was orriginally the dehaviland design.
For me something along the lines of a lotus elite/ginetta g4 on an s2000 would make sense.
[Edited on 26/3/16 by Ugg10]
[Edited on 26/3/16 by Ugg10]
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 03:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
There currently seems to be an abundance of these probably due to the availability of rwd donors and the iva cost/hassle.
If you want inspiration Google ribble for spitfire/herald/scimitar rebodies but these will have the same mechanical issues. There are also 60's
classic inspiresed cars based on mx5 at tribute automotive, there also used to be a lancia 037 basen on a beta but I would forget about the z3 based
cobra replica (sorry but you cannot Unsee what you have already seen), also have a search for bertini (z3) and widow cars (mx5), then there is the mev
mevx5.
There is also a couple of mgtf based ones if you want rear/mid engine, if this is interesting then mr2 +camry v6 is a well understood mod. There is a
Ferrari Dino on a mr2 iirc out there, think it was orriginally the dehaviland design.
For me something along the lines of a lotus elite/ginetta g4 on an s2000 would make sense.
[Edited on 26/3/16 by Ugg10]
[Edited on 26/3/16 by Ugg10]
It's quite extraordinary how different they can make the bodies look and yet retain the original monocoques. I do like the 250SWB based on the
Z3. The Ginetta G4 is a very pretty car.
Thank you for the pointers. Plenty to mull over.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 04:44 PM |
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My build is planned to be a new build/new registration.
Its nothing to do with IVA, VOSA don't care about age of any parts except the engine for emissions. As mentioned, its the DVLA that you need to
register the car with, and they set the rules for whats classed as new.
It certainly is a more expensive way to do it, but if you hunt and trawl the right places you can keep it realistic.
So far mines cost just under £9000
Of mine about £6000 was the chassis kit - Chassis (with rollcage and powdercoating), GRP body, alloy sheet, suspension, prop/driveshafts, steering,
loom and a few other smaller items.
On top of that I've bought new:
Engine (£620), Weber alpha TBs (2nd hand but new/unused £1000), Brakes (£300) etc.
Biggest expenses left is are things like the cost to recon the gearbox/diffs I have, and then a fuel tank, dials and odd parts.
I suspect another £2k will be needed (not including IVA/registration etc)
DVLA expect to see receipts for the major components required to class as new (chassis, engine, suspension, transmission, steering and axles - with
one of those being acceptable if recon to 'as new standard', but I have them and also stack of everything else I have new thats not on
that list so I can be sure they aren't reluctant to dish out a new reg.
Mistral Motorsport
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 26/3/16 at 06:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
My build is planned to be a new build/new registration.
Its nothing to do with IVA, VOSA don't care about age of any parts except the engine for emissions. As mentioned, its the DVLA that you need to
register the car with, and they set the rules for whats classed as new.
It certainly is a more expensive way to do it, but if you hunt and trawl the right places you can keep it realistic.
So far mines cost just under £9000
Of mine about £6000 was the chassis kit - Chassis (with rollcage and powdercoating), GRP body, alloy sheet, suspension, prop/driveshafts, steering,
loom and a few other smaller items.
On top of that I've bought new:
Engine (£620), Weber alpha TBs (2nd hand but new/unused £1000), Brakes (£300) etc.
Biggest expenses left is are things like the cost to recon the gearbox/diffs I have, and then a fuel tank, dials and odd parts.
I suspect another £2k will be needed (not including IVA/registration etc)
DVLA expect to see receipts for the major components required to class as new (chassis, engine, suspension, transmission, steering and axles - with
one of those being acceptable if recon to 'as new standard', but I have them and also stack of everything else I have new thats not on
that list so I can be sure they aren't reluctant to dish out a new reg.
And what a fantastic car you will have and in the scheme of things for very little money.
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DAN@ADRIAN FLUX
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| posted on 29/3/16 at 07:45 PM |
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Hi,
If you need any help with insurance at all then please feel free to drop me a line.
Our schemes can easily cater for home built or one off vehicles.
Regards,
Dan.
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 29/3/16 at 08:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DAN@ADRIAN FLUX
Hi,
If you need any help with insurance at all then please feel free to drop me a line.
Our schemes can easily cater for home built or one off vehicles.
Regards,
Dan.
Thank you Dan. That's good to know.
rgds
John
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