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Author: Subject: Mot question, as of may 2018 (MOT Tester?)
steve m

posted on 5/6/18 at 07:56 PM Reply With Quote
Mot question, as of may 2018 (MOT Tester?)

Hi All

I went to book my 7 in for its Mot earlier today, and the Tester, someone ive known for 30 years, and done about 15 tests on my locost 7, said that before he could do the Mot, he had to read up about kit cars and the like, as the new Mot test (may2018) had a specific article about them, and their specific requirement's compared to normal road cars

Ive read as much as I can about the current Mot rules on line, etc, and not found a thing about Kit cars

Has any one else had a similar problem, or any one had there kit car done recently , that could point me to an area I can look for anything relating to kit cars and the CURRENT 2018 MOT rules ?

So, I failed in even booking an Mot !


regards

steve





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obfripper

posted on 5/6/18 at 09:13 PM Reply With Quote
There's nothing specific changed for kit cars in the new mot, there are some things that changed for all vehicles that are more likely to affect kit cars such as:
Removal of the engine age changing the applicable emissions limits - this is now by the 1st registration date or v5c limits if present (unless you're pre 2001 registered, pre sva and q plate still fall under visual smoke only)
Reverse lamp presence/operation for 2009 onward vehicles.
Hid lamps fitted in non dcr marked enclosures now fail regardless of beam pattern.

There's probably a few more, but nothing major i can think of.
Have a read of:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-changes-from-may-2018-guidance-for-mot-testers
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-inspection-manual-for-class-3-4-5-and-7-vehicles
This is basically all that we've been supplied as guidance for applying the new mot changes, there are alot of things that have changed and are not even mentioned in this guidance.
There are also a handful of items that fail according to the testing manual, yet have no failure on the testing system - some have been corrected, but we're waiting on the rest.

Dave

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steve m

posted on 5/6/18 at 09:32 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks for the reply, my car is pre SVA/IVA, so as far as I can see falls in into the visual smoke test, and no emissions, although Hes always done the emissions, and its always passed on the 1979 original car V5





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twybrow

posted on 5/6/18 at 10:58 PM Reply With Quote
I am wondering what will be said about my car next month - a BEC with no reverse gear, so no reverse light. Is it a case of 'if it is fitted it has to work' I wonder....?
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posted on 6/6/18 at 05:07 AM Reply With Quote
If it was me I think that I would firstly get the car correctly registered.





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ken555

posted on 6/6/18 at 08:35 AM Reply With Quote
I had an MOT yesterday, and the emissions machine wouldn't allow a "Visual inspection" even though the car is a Q reg since 1987.

It wanted CO < 4.5% and HC of <1200 ppm, is this the new standard ?

Tester was confused by it and couldn't get thru on phone to check with DVSA.

MOT MANUAL ONline seems to suggest it doesn't need checked.

You must inspect vehicles with spark ignition engines first used on or after 1 August 1975.

For emissions purposes only you should treat the following as first used before 1 August 1975: kit cars and amateur built vehicles first used before 1 August 1998 Wankel rotary engined vehicles first used before 1 August 1987 Q plated vehicles

Testers though that the latest software update has removed the visual inspection option.

[Edited on 6-6-18 by ken555]






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obfripper

posted on 6/6/18 at 12:14 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ken555
I had an MOT yesterday, and the emissions machine wouldn't allow a "Visual inspection" even though the car is a Q reg since 1987.

It wanted CO < 4.5% and HC of <1200 ppm, is this the new standard ?

Tester was confused by it and couldn't get thru on phone to check with DVSA.

MOT MANUAL ONline seems to suggest it doesn't need checked.

You must inspect vehicles with spark ignition engines first used on or after 1 August 1975.

For emissions purposes only you should treat the following as first used before 1 August 1975: kit cars and amateur built vehicles first used before 1 August 1998 Wankel rotary engined vehicles first used before 1 August 1987 Q plated vehicles

Testers though that the latest software update has removed the visual inspection option.

[Edited on 6-6-18 by ken555]


A Q plate is only ever a visual check for petrol or diesel vehicles.
There is no need for any paperwork with a visual only check - it may have previously been an option on his emissions equipment to give a printout, but is not required for customer or dvsa records.

Dave

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motorcycle_mayhem

posted on 6/6/18 at 05:31 PM Reply With Quote
It'll be interesting to find out what the 'optional' MoT test will have as a 'pass' definition for historic vehicles. Given that it's already been said (for what that's worth) that a historic 'fail' on an MoT will have to be fixed. Now there's an incentive to have your hysterical vehicle checked. I have until December to decide (the Land Rover), hopefully all resolved and understood by then.

Also, and very kit car relevant, the Q-plate thing appears to have been left untouched (which is superb, why anyone would want anything but a Q I still fail to understand, just seems a vanity thing). BUT remember there are many 'historic' Ford MK Duttons out there, for which an 'historic' MoT should have remained rather limited. We'll see.

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big_wasa

posted on 6/6/18 at 06:27 PM Reply With Quote
I took mine about three weeks ago and its a 1.8 pinto, its on an age related plate and again the machine wanted CO < 4.5% and HC of <1200 ppm.
Now it passed this ok despite being a touch rich

BUT...

The guy was adamant that when I fit a newer engine it would be tested according to the date of the engine. Surely its got to be the age of the chassis ?

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obfripper

posted on 6/6/18 at 07:27 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
I took mine about three weeks ago and its a 1.8 pinto, its on an age related plate and again the machine wanted CO < 4.5% and HC of <1200 ppm.
Now it passed this ok despite being a touch rich

BUT...

The guy was adamant that when I fit a newer engine it would be tested according to the date of the engine. Surely its got to be the age of the chassis ?


You're right, as things were it was according to the oldest of the engine age or first registration, with the new changes it is date of first registration only that determines the default emissions limit.
For vehicles that have passed sva/iva, they are tested to the emissions limits on the v5c if present, if not present then according to the first registration date.
For your vehicle this would mean v5c limits, or a full cat test.

Dave

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