robby
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 08:25 AM |
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indicators
just read in the mk sva site that lotus 7 type cars don't need to meet visibility standards provided it has indicators well back on the side.
can anyone vouch for this? cheers
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 08:33 AM |
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The side indicators are the main concern - it's near-enough impossible to achieve all the required viewing angles on a "seven", so
they give you a bit of latitude during the test.
Saying that, you still have to make your best efforts to make them as visible as you can - certainly my tester crouched down and squinted from various
directions until he was happy (mine are up on the scuttle, a little way below the side mirrors - see web site for details!)
David
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robby
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 12:34 PM |
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cheers david, did you pass the sva with the indicators close in to the nosecone as in your photos?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 12:38 PM |
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No! I had spacers that added about 30mm - just about got me within the 400m limit. Somehow I forgot to re-fit them after some maintenance... 
David
Update: sorry - the spacers are shown on the website - they're the white bits.
[Edited on 4/3/05 by David Jenkins]
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clbarclay
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 02:14 PM |
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With a bit of time and effort getting a good shape and colour the same as the nose cone, spacers on the indicators could look quite good.
Then again.
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bob
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 02:30 PM |
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i made a real bodge of mine just for the re-test,got me through though.
 
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Hellfire
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 02:53 PM |
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We made some aluminium extensions to extend the indicators to within 400mm. Our intention always was to leave them on after SVA.
See Aprils build diary.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 09:01 PM |
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Mine are upto the 400mm dimension, but I think I may fall foul of the viewing angle part of the regulations. What do you think?
 
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If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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flak monkey
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 09:06 PM |
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Im not sure what the angles are, but you may do due to how far back they are....they may disappear behind the nose cone too early when trying to view
the right indicator from the left side and visa versa...(if that makes sense).
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 09:12 PM |
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I may have to use some plastic pipe to extend the indicators forward to get the 45° angle over the nosecone and the 80° is VERY borderline
 
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If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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welderman
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 09:17 AM |
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Can you use the small micro indictors as long as they are E marked and say road leagal on the box. Just got some from Halfords very small
indeed.
 
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 09:37 AM |
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Road legal for bikes!
I used bike indicators, and they're nice and bright. The SVA man didn't check for e-marks once he'd seen them in operation.
They will have to be extended to meet the 400mm rule.
David
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welderman
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 10:01 AM |
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Thanks for that, i can just about see now, tried them out just now. Boy are they bright.
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indykid
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 10:47 AM |
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the halfords ones have an m10 fine thread in the end though, which makes them a pain to extend.
at the mo, i'm using wickes plastic water pipe,(white outer with a blue bit in the middle) with an M12 thread tapped in one end, then the
indicator thread wrapped in insulation tape pushed into the pipe. in final guise, they don't pull out easily and look solidly fixed.
(not quite finished yet)
hth
tom
 
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welderman
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 11:51 AM |
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They look long those mate. Do they need to be that long. Was going to do mine +100mm
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 12:49 PM |
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they do look long, they just have to be a min. of 400mm from the outermost part of the vehicle.
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MikeR
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 12:59 PM |
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of course, if your indicator is sited on top of your front cycle wing then you've got no problem + you don't need a tell tale in the
cockpit.
(no i'm not doing that, just remember reading that if you can see the indicator you don't need the tell tale)
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indykid
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| posted on 17/3/05 at 10:08 AM |
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they are a bit longer than required, but only by about 15mm, so that the middle of the lamp is on the 400mm line, so there can be no question.
try this wider shot (front tyre is 205 and is a bit less than sierra rear track, and before you tell me, i know it's on the wrong side  )
tom
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NS Dev
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| posted on 18/3/05 at 08:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
Mine are upto the 400mm dimension, but I think I may fall foul of the viewing angle part of the regulations. What do you think?
Mark,
can you let me know how you get on at SVA with those indicators? I would like to do the same on my ST, I think it looks neat and tidy, much better
than stalks! Looking at my car the angles of visibility are errm, iffy, but then will they actaully be measured, or just assessed visually?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/3/05 at 08:25 AM |
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Tom,
I'd be worried that someone would walk into those long stalks and break the nose GRP - I used long-stalk bike indicators that only needed about
35-40mm extensions. The indicators were the bendy type, as well. I made some metal extensions that went inside the plastic, with 10mm fine thread
male at one end, female on the other, so the fixings were OK for the time when the extenders mysteriously fell off...
David
[Edited on 18/3/05 by David Jenkins]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 18/3/05 at 08:39 AM |
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Must agree - those extensions look too long. It's will be all too easy to stress the extension/'cator cracking the nose! But if
that's what they need to be then...
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indykid
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| posted on 18/3/05 at 03:06 PM |
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don't worry, they won't stay long, but i don't want a retest purely because my indicators were borderline.
the m12 bolts are about 40/45mm long anyway, so they are well supported at the base.
tom
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Jeffers_S13
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 10:45 AM |
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Are side repeaters mandatory ?
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Guinness
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 05:45 PM |
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Indykid, is your nosecone hinged? Just looking at fitting mine at the moment and looks a nice solution?
Mike
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JoelP
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| posted on 4/4/05 at 08:50 PM |
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mine's hinged, simple pair on the front bottom, sits just about flat on the road when you drop it forward.  its a good easy solution.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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