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MikeRJ

posted on 17/3/10 at 12:18 AM Reply With Quote
Master Cylinder fittings

I have acquired a new master cylinder that I've been told is for an old Nissan pickup with drum brakes. The bore is 19mm, so should be good for the non-servo use on my Striker. However, I'm a bit puzzled about the fittings:

Nissan Master Cylinder
Nissan Master Cylinder


One port has a very deep thread (~16mm) with no seat. I'm guessing a banjo bolt and sealing washers would have been used here? It also seems to have some kind of valve at the bottom that appears to function like a residual pressure valve.
Master cylinder fitting 2
Master cylinder fitting 2


The other port has a short thread (~8-9mm), with a reverse tapered seat at the bottom. Can I put a double flare on a pipe and (safely) use it with a conventional tube nut?
Master cylinder fitting
Master cylinder fitting


I think the thread is 3/8 UNF, it's certainly too coarse to be M10 * 1.0. In all other respects this fit my pedalbox perfectly, so would like to use it if possible,

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indykid

posted on 17/3/10 at 12:45 AM Reply With Quote
looks like a banjo fittinga nd a double flare to me, similar to an mx5.

all the mx5 fittings are like that with the convex seat and double flared. all my flares i made at the rear have sealed and stayed sealed.

could the fittings be m10x1.25? can't imagine nissan would use imperial, even in the days of yore
tom






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MikeRJ

posted on 17/3/10 at 01:00 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by indykid
looks like a banjo fittinga nd a double flare to me, similar to an mx5.

all the mx5 fittings are like that with the convex seat and double flared. all my flares i made at the rear have sealed and stayed sealed.

could the fittings be m10x1.25? can't imagine nissan would use imperial, even in the days of yore
tom


Could well be M10x1.25 now you mention it, but I didn't realise that size was ever used on brakes! Sounds like I can probably use it then, good news.

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russbost

posted on 17/3/10 at 09:19 AM Reply With Quote
3/8 & m10 x 1.0 are almost indistinguishable, you can actually screw a 3/8 male into a m10 x 1.0 female (tho' I wouldn't recommend it)
M10 x 1.25 is very commonly used on Jap motorbikes tho' only ever seen it on cars on old Fiats & their derivatives like Lada,FSO etc

The deep hole would be a banjo fitting, the others take a standard double flare (OP2)





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MikeRJ

posted on 17/3/10 at 10:22 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
3/8 & m10 x 1.0 are almost indistinguishable, you can actually screw a 3/8 male into a m10 x 1.0 female (tho' I wouldn't recommend it)


In that case it's definitely not 3/8 since the thread pitch is visibly coarser than an M10x1.0 banjo bolt I tried in it. Somewhere I have a Metric thread gauge, but darned if I could find it last night.

Seems like banjo bolts are fairly easily available in M10 x 1.25, but the fittings for solid brake pipe don't seem very common.

[Edited on 17/3/10 by MikeRJ]

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iank

posted on 17/3/10 at 11:20 AM Reply With Quote
Rally Design stock them
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=85_1923_1210&products_id=9955





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whitestu

posted on 17/3/10 at 11:20 AM Reply With Quote
I'm fairly sure my Fiat MC needed m10 x 1.25. I managed to get hold of some easy enough, but can't remember where from!

Stu

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MikeRJ

posted on 17/3/10 at 11:52 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iank
Rally Design stock them
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=85_1923_1210&products_id=9955


I ordered a bunch of stuff from RD a couple of days ago, how typical

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Bluemoon

posted on 17/3/10 at 12:27 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by iank
Rally Design stock them
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=85_1923_1210&products_id=9955


I ordered a bunch of stuff from RD a couple of days ago, how typical


Talk to them on the phone, bet you will get cheaper postage (than on-line)...

Dan

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MikeRJ

posted on 18/3/10 at 11:22 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks for the help chaps, I discovered my tap and die set had an M10x1.25 tap and it fits perfectly. I've ordered a banjo bolt, banjo adapter and a couple of M10x1.25 male brake fittings so I should be ready to work on the car during the lovely weather we are surely going to get at Easter
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