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Author: Subject: My Shiny New Panther!
G.I Ginge

posted on 13/12/13 at 06:11 PM Reply With Quote
My Shiny New Panther!

Hi all!
I've just bought Eddie99's Panther that he's been trying to sell for a while. What a lot of fun it is! Anyhow, I'm a COMPLETE novice with kit cars, so will probably be heavily reliant on the collective wisdom of this forum. So thanks in advance.

I have three super-basic questions to get started:
1) I've bought an aeroscreen to go on the car. How do I fit this? I'm presuming I need to drill a few holes through the fibreglass bodywork, but I haven't thought much further than that. I've read about possibly using rubber around the edge so it doesn't scratch the hell out of the bodywork where the screen contacts with the car. Is this a good idea? Where can I buy it?

2) I haven't confirmed this with Ed, but in an earlier post he mentioned that the car was dyno'd at about 110bhp with a 1.8 zetec blacktop engine. Is there no way to get a bit more power than this out of the engine? I drove a 1.8 focus for years and that had about 140bhp. Why the big discrepancy?

3) Ed has removed the grill of the car as he said it was getting too hot on track days. I don't mind the grill-less look, but do think it makes the car look sort of 'unfinished'. Does anyone have suggestions for either a grill that won't compromise air intake or another way to increase cooling that I (an utter mechanical imbecile, remember) could make happen?

Many thanks for ANY advice. It is gratefully received.

Dan

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Dave Bailey

posted on 13/12/13 at 06:17 PM Reply With Quote
Ref the cooling.. how is it plumbed? Does the bonnet have any vents to offer a low resistance path out of the car to maximise airflow through the rad?

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Dave Bailey

posted on 13/12/13 at 06:17 PM Reply With Quote
O sorry WELCOME!
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TimC

posted on 13/12/13 at 06:31 PM Reply With Quote
Hello, that's a great buy.

Is it one of Ed's aero screens i.e. the GTS one?

Oh, and join http://bristolkitcarclub.co.uk/ . They are a very active and helpful bunch.






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NigeEss

posted on 13/12/13 at 07:04 PM Reply With Quote
Hello and welcome,

Dyno figures are what bhp is at the wheels, manufacturers quote figures at the flywheel. So allowing
for transmission losses you've probably got nearly 140 anyway.





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big-vee-twin

posted on 13/12/13 at 07:42 PM Reply With Quote
Standard Zetec is about 115 the RS version gets 130 with fast cams etc. But as you say that's at the fly not wheels, so its about right.

Edd built that Panther to a good level, with a custom dash too.

Duratec is 145 out the box.





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G.I Ginge

posted on 14/12/13 at 07:06 AM Reply With Quote
Wow so many responses already! Thanks for the warm welcome.

On the cooling front, the car has a carbon fibre air intake on the bonnet. However, it looks like this might be too far back to direct the air to the radiator specifically. The radiator is mounted about six inches in from the nose of the car which seemed pretty sensible to me, but might make extra air flow tricky. Ed is delivering the car this morning so I will get some pics up to give you a better idea. In terms of vents to direct air out, I didnt see any. Where would ne a good spot for them?

The aeroscreen is indeed from Ed so hopefully it is a gts one, but I couldnt say for sure. Ed simply assured me that it would fit the panther. I think he was taking pity on my ignorance and keeping things as simple as possible for me. Is the make of the screen important? Do different screens mount differently?

Thanks for the comments on the horsepower. I feel better informed already. She felt pretty quick already, but if I wanted a few extra horses, any suggestions on a relatively straightforward way to get them? Please dont say turbo charger-I dont think Im quite thete yet!

Thanks again for the help.

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INDY BIRD

posted on 14/12/13 at 07:39 AM Reply With Quote
Hi welcome and good luck with the car,

Ask Eddie he is very experienced with these cars and has built some fine cars,

I would live with the power for a bit then see where you want to go, as the car is like new and very nice tidy build,

We you on track or road use? Road use I would say its plenty enough power but we all want more,

There is plenty of ino on the net to get more power from a zetec, can't remember if the car has std injection system or not, but cams and a quick fix is remove the cat but of course for emissions you will need it at mot time, but will release a few etra horses,

Good luck with the car and ask edd as said he knows is stuff,

Sean

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snapper

posted on 14/12/13 at 10:08 AM Reply With Quote
Let me assure you that car is plenty quick as it is, Eddie is also a very good driver
You should get to know the car before wanting more bhp and be aware in this cold damp weather this type of car will put you in a ditch if you go all boy racer straight away
Be cautious, take it easy.
I think Ed built this with the original Ford ECU, ask him, if so tuning is limited unless you change for aftermarket
An option for more oomph is a 2.0L 170bhp Zetec, easy straight swap





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G.I Ginge

posted on 18/12/13 at 03:28 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks for the replies.
I actually had the chance to speak with Ed about all the issues when he dropped off the car the other day.
I'm going to leave the cooling for now- Ed explained the situation with the overheating was during a blazing hot day, on a track, after a full day's thrashing. I'm not really going to push the car to those sorts of limits, so no need to take any action. Ed was even nice enough to offer to send me the grill material to replace it!

Regarding the power, it was really just for my information. I totally take on everyone's points- I need to learn any car thoroughly before I start tweaking.

The car isn't going out until the spring, so that will give me plenty of time to fit the aeroscreen and get some pictures up on this site!

Just two more questions- having sat in the car for a more reasonable length of time now, there is a big difference between the angle of the break pedal and that of the accelerator. I'm a bit taller than Ed and have clown- sized feet, so this is going to make switching between them tricky for my right foot. Is it easy to change the angle of this pedal or am I just asking for a world of pain?
Also, I'm too tall to see the digital speedo- the wheel is in the way. Is it possible to reposition the steering wheel?

[Edited on 19/12/13 by G.I Ginge]

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G.I Ginge

posted on 26/12/13 at 09:47 PM Reply With Quote
Bump! Can anybody offer any advice RE: the brake pedal?
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eddie99

posted on 1/1/14 at 05:26 PM Reply With Quote
Hi Dan,
Glad your happy with the car, regarding the brake pedal. Its a wilwood pedal box which doesn't have much adjustability however i think i spaced out the throttle pedal towards the driver to aid with heel and toeing, You might not like the new position and its easy to remove the washers between the throttle pedal pad and the throttle pedal. However you can't change the angle easily I'm afraid.
Kind Regards
Ed





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G.I Ginge

posted on 10/1/14 at 08:39 PM Reply With Quote
Hi Ed. Thanks for the reply. I shall have a look at the washers on the accelerator pedal and see what can be done.

A question for anyone- I want to fit a fuel sender to the car's tank so I can actually have a fuel guage. What fuel sender have others used? Im concerned that with such a small tank just buying a sierra sender might be too big?

Thanks for any replies.

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INDY BIRD

posted on 10/1/14 at 09:17 PM Reply With Quote
Something like this

http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/fuel-tank-sender

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G.I Ginge

posted on 10/1/14 at 10:35 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks very much
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G.I Ginge

posted on 14/1/14 at 10:27 PM Reply With Quote
So I've got the suggested universal fuel sender on the way now, but, having removed the panel to the rear of the car, I'm having trouble locating where this fuel sender will need installing. I have tried to attach a picture to illustrate, but cannot seem to do it. I keep being told that a jpeg file is not a supported file type, irritatingly. I'm going to have a thorough look tomorrow, but shouldn't a hole for a sender just be a round bit on the top of the tank? Where else would it be?

I also have some new shiny bits on the car like a new handbrake and gear knob. Plus I've tidied up some scuffs to the 'doors' with some rather neat looking strips of foam rubber. I so WISH I could figure out how to share pictures on here!

[Edited on 14/1/14 by G.I Ginge]

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mcerd1

posted on 15/1/14 at 08:58 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by G.I Ginge
I keep being told that a jpeg file is not a supported file type

how big are the pics ?

re-size them to 1024x768 or 800x600 and try again (also save them as *.jpg not *.jpeg)




btw what kind of 1.8 focus did you have with 140 bhp
as far as I knew they only come in 115 or 125 ps flavours....

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eddie99

posted on 15/1/14 at 09:48 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by G.I Ginge
So I've got the suggested universal fuel sender on the way now, but, having removed the panel to the rear of the car, I'm having trouble locating where this fuel sender will need installing. I have tried to attach a picture to illustrate, but cannot seem to do it. I keep being told that a jpeg file is not a supported file type, irritatingly. I'm going to have a thorough look tomorrow, but shouldn't a hole for a sender just be a round bit on the top of the tank? Where else would it be?

I also have some new shiny bits on the car like a new handbrake and gear knob. Plus I've tidied up some scuffs to the 'doors' with some rather neat looking strips of foam rubber. I so WISH I could figure out how to share pictures on here!

[Edited on 14/1/14 by G.I Ginge]


Im afraid there isn't a hole for a fuel sender, otherwise i would have fitted a sender originally. To properly put a hole in it, you need to get tank out of the car and get a ring the correct size TIG'd on, also make sure its got no fuel or vapours in it when doing so.





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G.I Ginge

posted on 21/1/14 at 08:20 AM Reply With Quote
Ah. I think that might be a project for next year, then! I want to actually enjoy DRIVING the car for a while before I blow myself up drilling holes in fuel tanks!
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G.I Ginge

posted on 3/2/14 at 11:18 AM Reply With Quote
Got the car out for its first drive this weekend! Loving it- especially with the aero screen to take some of the sting out of the buffeting I do have two small questions, neither of which is particularly urgent:
1. Under a steady throttle of about 2-3,000 revs, there is a noise coming from the engine bay. It sounds like maybe a belt or something under strain? This noise goes away if you rev the car beyond that threshold, but it is also present during acceleration up to 3,000 revs. Anything to worry about, do you guys think? I can't say I noticed any issues with performance whilst the noise was present. I should also say that the car has been sat unused for at least 2-3 months, if that's relevant.

2. The brakes felt a bit less positive than I was expecting. I'm used to driving a 350z, which has brembo 4 pot callipers on the front and computers to sort out breaking for you, so maybe my expectations just need adjusting, but I had thought that a car like this would pretty much stop on a dime with discs all round. They certainly stop the car, but the initial stop from the brakes did not cut as much speed as I thought they would. Again, anything to worry about, or am I just used to something different?

Many thanks!

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mcerd1

posted on 3/2/14 at 12:01 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by G.I Ginge
2. The brakes felt a bit less positive than I was expecting. I'm used to driving a 350z, which has brembo 4 pot callipers on the front and computers to sort out breaking for you, so maybe my expectations just need adjusting, but I had thought that a car like this would pretty much stop on a dime with discs all round. They certainly stop the car, but the initial stop from the brakes did not cut as much speed as I thought they would. Again, anything to worry about, or am I just used to something different?



but your 350z would have servo assistance

non-servo assisted brakes take a fair bit more effort on your part to make them work....





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posted on 3/2/14 at 02:01 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
... non-servo assisted brakes take a fair bit more effort on your part to make them work....



Non-servo assisted brakes are probably my pet-hate of (most) kit-cars. I'm seriously considering adding a servo to the Quantum.





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G.I Ginge

posted on 7/2/14 at 03:02 PM Reply With Quote
Ah, OK. So just stamp a little harder. Got it.

Anybody care to stick their neck out and offer a theory RE: the belt noise I can hear?

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wackydo

posted on 22/2/14 at 09:36 AM Reply With Quote
Hi

I work in Keynsham and live in Downend, though not massively experienced would be happy to pop round and have a look at things with u some time.

Tony

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G.I Ginge

posted on 22/2/14 at 11:43 AM Reply With Quote
Hi Tony,

That would be very kind of you, thanks. I've taken the car out for several drives now and all seems to be fine. The noise may be some kind of air intake noise, on reflection. I'm going to take an 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' approach for now, but if anything changes I will definitely message you.

Thanks again,
Dan

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