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hmh

posted on 2/6/16 at 09:45 AM Reply With Quote
Ford Sierra Viscous LSD internals foto

I couldn't find any pictures of a Sierra Viscous LSD taken apart so far. Now that I started overhauling mine I though I should shoot and post them here for others who are interested. Here they go






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SteveRST

posted on 2/6/16 at 10:35 AM Reply With Quote
Interesting, I've not seen inside one before.

What exactly do you overhaul? What wears out? Does this mean it should be less 'slippy' afterwards?

So how does it work? The thin metal plates act like a series of clutches?

A million questions






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hmh

posted on 2/6/16 at 11:02 AM Reply With Quote
The car didn't spin well to the right although it did to the left. The plan is to refill the LSD with silicone fluid with higher viscousity than the original fluid.
In fact the original fluid looked more like dense grease or mud when we opened the case.
The principle here is like in other viscous LSDs where the metal plates don't touch each other and pass traction through the fluid.

If anyone did something like this, please share your results and may be some hints which I need to take into account before I refill and put it back into the car.

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madteg

posted on 2/6/16 at 01:19 PM Reply With Quote
KEEP UP POSTED ON HOW YOU GET ON. THINKING OF DOING MINE AS WELL
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minitici

posted on 2/6/16 at 03:06 PM Reply With Quote
Bara Motorsports can replace or upgrade the special silicone fluid in the Sierra LSD's viscous coupling.
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snapper

posted on 2/6/16 at 07:17 PM Reply With Quote
There is a very specific bubble of air in the fluid, integral to how the slip works.
I have heard that some increase air pressure to change how the slip works (you can't compress a fluid so increased air pressure just provides some resistance, silicon is not affected by heat but air is, make of that what you will)
I would think the silicon fluid will make s huge difference and not easily controlled this pumping the air bubble could give you a much finer control, certainly the effect would stiffen the LSD somewhat





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bi22le

posted on 2/6/16 at 08:12 PM Reply With Quote
Are you doing this your self withouy special tools?

So to hijack post but i am still wanting an LSD unit of and type or condition. I just want the inner LSD bit for a diff rebuild.

Any one got anything?





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Rob Allison

posted on 11/6/16 at 06:00 AM Reply With Quote
Hope you know what the fliud is, as its very hard to find the right stuff.
And the "Air bubble" is important. When you dismantled it you need to measure the volume of fluid that comes out to put the same back in.
As for it looking like grease thats right. The closest thing thats easy to get hold of is model car lsd silicon oil/fluid.






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hmh

posted on 13/6/16 at 12:57 PM Reply With Quote
We had an autotest event on Saturday and the overhauled viscous unit worked like a charm.
As a fluid we used Polydimethylsiloxane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane). As I read on the internet the usual viscousity that is used to refill different viscous units is 10.000. We used much higher viscousity 250.000:



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Gersen

posted on 12/7/16 at 11:52 PM Reply With Quote
Awesome pics, and really interesting thread - keep the info coming!

PDMS is non-Newtonian fluid i.e. it's resistance to twisting applied in a diff depends on how fast you are trying to twist it - kinda handy in an LSD!
The significant bit is that it's the weight of the silane used that needs to be optimised for the locking properties.

There will be alot of people telling you "OMFG you can't understand and re-engineer the viscous pack fluid" - ignore them - you really can - as it's just engineering and not magic - though it's optimisation which is a PITA without a diff dyno. Drill a hole - flush it out - try something else - ba duh

The original stuff in the Ford viscous LSD capsule (not to be confused with the diff oil) is also a silane based grease, obviously optimised for a 1200+kg car, thus not so friendly in a 5-600kg kit car. (Noone would tell us what it was so we got lazy and put it through a mass spec)

I spoke to Bara about this a few weeks back and their approach is basically to use a dynamometer to match a silane viscosity (I didn't get a straight answer on the range of weights they offered) and given diff (they wear so they are all a little bit different) to the desired locking characteristics.

The air bubble is predominately to prevent hydraulic lock in the chamber on expansion i.e. the fluid seals could burst as it heats up if it was totally filled - the shear transfer mechanism is the fluid between the plates - so long as they are covered it shouldn't care! If there's an engineer with specific knowledge on this I'd welcome a PM

Loving this thread! And not just because I have a spare LSD that was removed as it was too locked off throttle!

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Bingham

posted on 19/7/16 at 06:17 PM Reply With Quote
Also, as I discussed with Gersen last weekend it kills head lice and cures colic in babies.
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Rob Allison

posted on 19/7/16 at 08:43 PM Reply With Quote
I have been looking for a uk supplier. So far I can't get it in an large quantities or the right spec






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Gersen

posted on 20/7/16 at 05:58 PM Reply With Quote
Large quantities might be a problem

We use it in the labs for making molds for MEMS and microfluidics (generally sciencing the poo of it) so it's a lab grade reagent.

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search?term=PDMS&interface=All&N=0&mode=match%20partialmax&lang=en&region=GB&focus=product

Think ours comes from Sigma but might help as a starting point (see above) I'll check when I'm in the lab next

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