Gergely
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 posted on 13/10/08 at 04:42 PM |
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She lives!!!!!
There you go! The engine works!!!
The wiring, which we feared most is a cracked nut!!!
Thanks to the R1 fury build page, suggestions from you guys and chockymonsters excellent step by step guide, we started the engine first time!
Turned the key, pushed the button (after a sanity check with a bulb of course), and after a few turns, the engine settled to a healthy idle...
Now for the question:
When pressing the accelerator even the slightest, the engine immediately stalls.
We have the airbox on, and run the engine without the Power Commander installed yet, just on its own ECU. And we use a Bosch fuel pump.
Could the different air intake setup and no Power Commander be the reason? Or is there something else that could cause this?
One more info: There is one sensor (I think the air intake temperature sensor from memory) that we have just hanging around, not in the airbox
housing. Could this be the cause? I don't think so...
Has anyone had a similar experience?
Thanks for any info!
We are very happy! It runs, so no real issues probably, just needs some tinkering with...
Gergely
PS: A video will follow once I download it...
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stuart_g
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 04:53 PM |
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Congrats on the engine running.
I had exactly that problem with an SVA map loaded into the power commander but as you haven't got that fitted that rules that out.
When you turn the ignition on check that the secondary butterfly servo motor goes through it's check It sounds like it's fuel/air mix
problem to me. Have you any error codes on the dash?
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marc n
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 05:50 PM |
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fantastic news 
try one of the web power commander maps and se if that sorts it
well done and best regards
marc
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001Ben
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 09:33 PM |
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Does it stall once the engine is up to temp?
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yorkshire-engines
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 10:46 PM |
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Hi well done told you it was easy
check that you have the choke system piped up to the water ok its on the throttle bodies
this is usually the problem
cheer s malc
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Agriv8
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 06:39 AM |
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sound like the second set of buterflies to me too But if not what fuel presure ? possibly just enought to tickover but not enough when the injector
open time is more - Just a thought.
Ps Where the vidio ??
But in all honesty you have done well.
Now go and make a mess in your far too clean garage and get it finished 
regards
Agriv8
[Edited on 14/10/08 by Agriv8]
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Gergely
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 06:55 AM |
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Thanks all!
Brilliant feeling!
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check that you have the choke system piped up to the water ok its on the throttle bodies
Sorry, I don't quite get this Malc, can you please explain to someone who is not an expert...
What do I check / adjust / change?
quote:
sound like the second set of buterflies to me too But if not what fuel presure ? possibly just enought to tickover but not enough when the injector
open time is more - Just a thought.
Butterflies? How d I check that Iain?
Fuel pressure... well I use the MNR supplied pump, so that should be fine, I guess...
Gergely
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Agriv8
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 10:42 AM |
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From memeory ( I think it is on the New R1's but I get confused by all the different ones ). One set of butterflies are connected to the ( in
BEC case ) the accelerator pedal.
When you open these these there are a second set of butterflies these are operated Via a selaniod from the ECU ( emmisions control really ) so when
the engine is running when you blip the throtle the ecu controled second set should also move.
Let me know if they are not there or do not move
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Agriv8
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 10:49 AM |
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Gergly
Just had alook in your photo archive and I think I can see the selanoid for the Ecu controlled butterflies
for Malc question post up a photo of the throtle bodies from the side futhest away from the spark plugs ( I can not see one in your archive ) with
this I think I may be able to assist.
We will look into these before looking at fuel presure
regards
Agriv8
[Edited on 14/10/08 by Agriv8]
[Edited on 14/10/08 by Agriv8]
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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smart51
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 11:15 AM |
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My (carbed) engine does this if I start it when it is very cold. A bit of choke solves it until the engine warms up a bit. It is due to a very weak
fuel mixture. When you open the throttle slightly, the extra air kills the engine.
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TimC
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| posted on 15/10/08 at 07:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
My (carbed) engine does this if I start it when it is very cold. A bit of choke solves it until the engine warms up a bit. It is due to a very weak
fuel mixture. When you open the throttle slightly, the extra air kills the engine.
Hi Colin
Once it's warm, is all ok? I ran mine up to temp (70 degrees anyway) for the first time and experienced the same problem, even at this
temperature. When I ran the engine for a short time ages ago, I din't have the same problem. All I've changed is the carb bellmouths
which are now machined down. Could it be 3 month old fuel? It's a carb'd (5JJ) motor btw.
Thanks
TC
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Gergely
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| posted on 17/10/08 at 10:31 AM |
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Ok guys, I will take some pics this weekend of the throttle bodies, also try to run the engine for longer to get it warm and then see what happens.
Currently the wires are off again to lengthen them where needed and wrap them nicely into one neat harness.
Gergely
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Gergely
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| posted on 28/10/08 at 10:22 PM |
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Hi guys, I couldn't run the engine this weekend, but I took some pictures of the engine, maybe you can spot the reason why it stalled each time
we tried blipping the throttle.
 
Engine right side 1
 
Engine right side 2
And one more question: where do I place the air pressure sensor? Currently it is just hanging on the wire harness...
 
R1 air pressure sensor
Thanks!!
Gergely
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Agriv8
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| posted on 29/10/08 at 08:04 AM |
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Hi gergely,
Just had a look at a 03 wiring diagrame online ( cant find an 05 easilly - any ofers ? ) We Might have missed the obvious have you switched the side
stand switch ? ( cant remeber if you have to Make or Break this connection - there may also be a relay in there somwhere is it present ? ) need an 05
diagrame really. but that could explain it ??
if Not
Looks like two sets of butterflies, one set of these are controlled by the ECU.
so you need to check continuity between throttle pot and ecu ( this tells the ECu how much you have opened the throtle )
and from the ecu to the selanoid operated butterflies.
regards
Agriv8
edited to add anout stand switch
[Edited on 29/10/08 by Agriv8]
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Gergely
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| posted on 30/10/08 at 09:22 AM |
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Hi Iain,
Thanks! The side stand switch is permanently connected, as is the clutch switch, otherwise the engine would not have started at all.
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so you need to check continuity between throttle pot and ecu ( this tells the ECu how much you have opened the throtle )
Right... you will need to explain this to me in a step-by-step, schoolteacher way... don't forget I am a foreigner who doesn't know much
about bike engines at all...
All of what you have said is chinese to me... does it mean that there is a second set of butterflies that possibly do not open properly on our engine?
where do I measure these then?
(In worst case I guess I can have a Yamaha expert look at it in Hungary...)
Thanks!
Gergely
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Agriv8
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| posted on 30/10/08 at 11:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Gergely
Hi Iain,
Thanks! The side stand switch is permanently connected,
HI Gergley,
I would have thought the bike would start and tickover with the stand down and the bike in neatral ( but don't quote me on that ) just switch
the Stand switch the other way and let me know what happens.
also are you using the bike clocks ( is the neutral gear light showing ? ).
I really need a 05 r1 blade wiring diagrame off to post up a request back soon Iain.
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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road warrior
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| posted on 30/10/08 at 11:26 AM |
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Hi Gergely
To check your throttle butterflies - un clip the air filter and turn the ignition on and they will self cycle. e.g open and close. You should also
hear the solenoid motor when it does it. The alloy base plate may be fouling the mechanism if it doesn't.
Do you have a standard dash? If so email me and I will get you some info on how to check the fault codes.
I forgot to add that the air pressure sensor is normally under the seat on the bike near the battery. Mine is under the dash as that is near the
battery and associated wiring.
Cheers
Sonja
[Edited on 30/10/08 by road warrior]
[Edited on 30/10/08 by road warrior]
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Agriv8
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| posted on 30/10/08 at 02:19 PM |
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well we have our excelent wiring diagram ( thanks Ko_racer )
2005 R1 Digrame in PDF
Will study this on the way home and try and post back later.
let us know if your throttle butterflies go through the self cycle ( chers for that sonja ) if they dont we have found the problem and then we just
have to fix it
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Agriv8
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| posted on 5/11/08 at 12:50 PM |
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gergly,
have you fixed it yet ?
If so where are the Vidios
Regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Gergely
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| posted on 5/11/08 at 02:01 PM |
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No, we haven't fixed it yet, to be honest, we were working on the body fitting now, we have not even finalised the wiring.
We wanted to get the bodywork out of the way, it took a lot of space in the garage...
Here is how it looks like now:
 
The car in November 2008
For the video of the original first start (bad quality) check out our blog (in hungarian, but the video is still on the front page a couple of entries
down):
The Hungarian blog
And for all the pictures without any Hungarian nonsense (the most recent pics are at the back of the slideshow):
Build pictures
Cheers!
Gergely
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Triggerhappy
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| posted on 5/11/08 at 03:10 PM |
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R1 2004-2006 full workshopmanual
http://yzf-r1forum.net/manuals/index.html
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Gergely
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| posted on 5/11/08 at 05:24 PM |
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Thanks guys for all the wiring diagrams. We have these and the manual, too. We followed that and the engine runs,so we are not that worried. Sure the
engine needs some running, getting warm, sorting with Power Commander, so we decided to go on with the build and once the body and scuttle are on,
then finalise the wiring - anyway we need to fix many electric components on the latter.
I have even found a Power Commander setup place in Hungary that is willing to help with the setup, so I am not too worried.
I will keep you updated of course!
Gergely
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Gergely
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 06:03 AM |
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We finally had the chance to start the engine again after a month of bodywork and suspension work. We finalised the wiring and fired the engine
yesterday night. We let the engine run for a while, when it started to be smokey as a bar in the garage, so we opened the garage door. Then, when we
thought it was warm enough, dad reached for the throttle cable on the engine side and pulled it. Blimey!!! That thing revs ferociously and loudly! We
thought the car was not that loud last time, but believe me it will be plenty loud...
We almost got scared from it and killed the engine... But had to have another go just for the sound...
I apologise from the neighbours, who probably had no clue what that was at half past eleven at night, but it is such a great sound and such a relief
that everything works!!!!
One thing I know is that I won't worry about the possible rattling of panels, or rivet heads in the chassis tubes... it will be impossible to
hear over the engine. Fact!
Thanks all for the tips! Here are a few pics on the current status.
Gergely
 
The car in December 2008
 
The dash in December 2008
Our build pictures
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marc n
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| posted on 4/12/08 at 06:51 AM |
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hi gergly
looking very good so far 
best regards
marc
please email rather than u2u
direct workshop email ( manned 8am till 6pm )
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