Fireblade Oils advice ??
tompat3463 - 8/4/11 at 07:42 PM
Hi.. Im wanting to do a bit if a service on my MK blade engine and was wondering if anyone could give advice on what part to service ??
Also I cant seem to find where the engine oil filler is located ???
Also. which oils do I need for engine, gearbox ?? and how much oil for each part ??
MAny thanks Alan
koiking125 - 8/4/11 at 08:55 PM
Fireblades run a wet clutch, so the gearbox and engine oil are all in one. You will need around 4ltrs of semi synthetic oil if you change the filter
at the same time, dont forget to get a new sump washer.
The oil filler is located on the right hand end of the engine as you stand looking at the engine bay from the drivers side. Its a black screw plug on
top of the cluch casing.
Most reccomend to overfill by 200ml to help with oil surge.
Hope that helps
Kev
ReMan - 8/4/11 at 09:15 PM
I always use Halfords semi synth bike oil, good vaue and the sell the champion filters too 301 from memory
tompat3463 - 8/4/11 at 09:19 PM
ok thanks for the help.. This may sound stupid but is there a fill level or something ?? how do I know how much oil is in ??
koiking125 - 8/4/11 at 09:23 PM
Under the filler, facing towards the rad is a glass window at the bottom of the cluch housing, you might find its easier to see with a mirror.
van cleef - 9/4/11 at 05:54 AM
I filled mine last night.
You'll find a wee window on the cluth cover end, your supposed to fill it until it hit's half way up the window but i took mine just below
the maimum mark at the top of the window.it was easy for me as the engine is out ready to go in.
I also used semi synthetic as it was advised to me by the local Honda bike retail outlet.
joni - 9/4/11 at 06:53 AM
i race a 929 blade engine i use millers semi 10/40 oil and allways use a high flow filter the filters in halfords seam to unscrew themselfs and the
oil is crap my friend was using it he is now on his 3rd engine
millers is for a bike engine with a wet clutch very good oil holds good pressure
brookie - 9/4/11 at 02:45 PM
all i can say is the 10/40s/s oil for bikes is same as 10/40s/s for cars
prawnabie - 9/4/11 at 03:54 PM
Dont be silly, car oil in a bike will wreck the clutch in no time!
Mr Whippy - 9/4/11 at 05:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by brookie
all i can say is the 10/40s/s oil for bikes is same as 10/40s/s for cars
More good reasons why you don't want to use car oil in bikes
http://www.thumperfaq.com/oil.htm
Q: IS AUTOMOTIVE MOTOR OIL BAD FOR A MOTORCYCLE?
A: Not bad, but probably not the best. Why not? It is designed in reverse order to a motorcycle oil. The priority hierarchy of automotive motor oil
is: (1) Maximize fuel economy. (2) Reduce emissions. (3) Offer protection for the moving parts. Today's automotive motor oils do not have the
same degree of extreme pressure and anti-wear agents that they did just a decade ago."
Q: WILL AUTOMOTIVE MOTOR OIL HURT MY BIKE?
A: It could. If you're using an automotive motor oil in your racing four-stroke, you're not buying the best protection. An API SL oil is
missing vital anti-wear components: the most common being zinc, phosphorus and sulfur. These agents are harmful to the catalyst that is used to
diminish the level of pollutants in automobile exhaust.
Q: WILL AUTOMOTIVE OIL HURT MY CLUTCH?
A: Yes. The friction modifiers in motor oil improve fuel economy by making it easier for the gears, bearings, pistons and rings to slip, slide and
turn inside the engine. Unfortunately, these friction-minimizing agents also make it easier for the clutch in a motorcycle to slip. If you are using
automotive motor oil in your bike, apart from CRFs, you are losing hook-up and acceleration, as well as reducing the life of the clutch.
Q: WHY SHOULD I MEMORIZE THE ACRONYM "JASO"?
A: As soon as it became apparent that the American government was mandating economy over protection, the Japanese Automotive Standards Organization
(JASO) developed a standard specifically for performance fourstroke motorcycles. JASO designates two different four-stroke oil classifications: MA and
MB. The MB oil is low friction and the MA is sans the friction enhancers.
Q: WHY ARE MOTORCYCLE SPECIFIC OILS BETTER?
A: Motorcycle specific oils are pumped up with five times the anti-wear, anti-scuff and extreme pressure additives of regular motor oil. As an added
plus, motorcycle oil does not include molybdenum disulfide and other friction modifiers that wreak havoc on clutch performance.
Maxima, a popular motorcycle oil supplier, starts with an API SG Service Category base oil, the last formulation that wasn't regulated as to the
amount of zinc-dialkyldithiophosphate (zinc, phosphorus and sulfur) it could contain. Maxima then boosts protection through a proprietary mix of
performance additives. The end result is a motorcycle oil that doesn't break down under extreme heat and is tough enough to cushion meshing
gears.
Q: WHICH FOUR-STROKE RACING OIL SHOULD I USE?
A: If the bottle of oil doesn't list that it is an API SG Service Category or JASO MA spec, it's not good enough for your motocross bike.
Although a bottle of oil might say "motorcycle specific" or "safe in wet clutches," the best endorsement is the API SG or JASO MA
designation. It's better to be safe than sorry.
[Edited on 9/4/11 by Mr Whippy]
ReMan - 9/4/11 at 06:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by tompat3463
ok thanks for the help.. This may sound stupid but is there a fill level or something ?? how do I know how much oil is in ??
Depends, if it's an old one then dipstick in the filler screw
brookie - 10/4/11 at 10:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
Dont be silly, car oil in a bike will wreck the clutch in no time!
im only saying what the bloke said from my local motor factors when i said what the diffrance between 10/40 bike oil and 10/40 car oil he said about
£5 and the only diffrance is 1 says bike oil and 1 says car oil so only going what he said and he runs both cars and bikes
britishtrident - 10/4/11 at 10:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
Dont be silly, car oil in a bike will wreck the clutch in no time!
Modern high tech car oil are no go but older lower spec car mineral or semi oils should be fine API spec SE or SF or SG or earlier.
ReMan - 10/4/11 at 10:17 AM
Bear in mind to that proper old bikes would have a seperate gearbox and sometimes clutch oil too.
In which case the engine oil would be perfectly good in both
britishtrident - 10/4/11 at 10:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by brookie
quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
Dont be silly, car oil in a bike will wreck the clutch in no time!
im only saying what the bloke said from my local motor factors when i said what the diffrance between 10/40 bike oil and 10/40 car oil he said about
£5 and the only diffrance is 1 says bike oil and 1 says car oil so only going what he said and he runs both cars and bikes
Modern spec car oils are designed not to harm catalysts and lambda sensor and reduce emission's while allowing extended service intervals
because of this the feed stock and additives blended into them aren't compatible with bike engines and clutches.