Rasteirinho
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 04:28 PM |
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Newbie - What's cheaper to build? BEC or CEC?
Hi,
I'm newbie in the Locost world and i'm planning to build a Locost.
I would like to know what is cheaper to build: a BEC or a CEC?
Is a Toyota Corolla AE86 a good donor (engine, axle, gearbox, steering gear)?
Thank you for your help.
Regards,
Pedro
'99 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI RS2
'85 Toyota Corolla GT TwinCam
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omega0684
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 04:30 PM |
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depends on where you get all your stuff from, if you live in a scrap yard then im guessing you could build a cec very cheaply.
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worX
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 04:33 PM |
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There isn't a lot in it to be honest, unless you really want to build an ultra low budget car then the CEC would be cheapest...
Go BEC - you know it makes sense!
Steve
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TimC
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 04:44 PM |
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You'd be mad to break an AE86 - they go for silly money. If it's already rotten then I think it would potentially make an excellent
donor. However, I'm not sure if it has double-wishbone front suspension?
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tegwin
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 04:50 PM |
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If you want a car that drives....then CEC on a budget..
But bang for buck I dont think you could beat a CEC given the cost of electricery needed to run a zetec etc to get similar power/weight as a bike
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BenB
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 04:58 PM |
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It very much depends on how you intend to obtain your parts.
If you buy a scrapper Sierra and pull it to bits then obviously that's all the suspension, the engine and the gearbox for pennies. You
won't beat that with a BEC.
But- a BEC engine (with g/box) can be had for a few hundred. However, if you are insistent on reverse then that adds considerable to the cost of a
BEC...
The rest of the car is the same.
IE there's very little in it. A CEC would be cheapest BUT the performance you'ld get would be much less than that obtained by a slightly
more expensive BEC....
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COREdevelopments
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 05:59 PM |
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i have used an ae86 box and back axle, i used an ae92 small port engine. not a locost way but am a toyota nut so had to use them, im glad i did use
them as its slightly different gearbox is lighter and diff is lsd.
rob
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contaminated
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 07:11 PM |
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My god don't break an AE86! They are highly sort after drift pigs!!
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mark chandler
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 08:33 PM |
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BEC if you want cheap tax every year with great performance!
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flak monkey
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 08:40 PM |
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CEC everytime. Built my 170bhp pinto powered GTS for under £6k on the road, including the insurance and 6 months tax. Plenty quick enough thank you
Just think, if you pop a bike box or engine its going to cost at least £1k to replace it and a lot more than that if you want something with some
serious power. Plus you have all the hassle of needing a CAT for SVA (unless you really want to use a pre 95 knackered bike engine?), TRT props are
expensive, etc etc. And even after all of that you dont have a reverse 
BECs are great if you do low mileage, or lots of track days. But if you do 5k a year like me then cruising at 7k rpm isnt fun. I can see the benefits
of them but only for certain uses.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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NS Dev
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| posted on 18/8/08 at 08:57 PM |
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Not really a comparison that can be made.
I looked long and hard at this one.
I could achieve the power to weight I wanted with EITHER a haybusa OR a vauxhall 2.0 16v XE engine, both gave much the same performance.
The vauxhall cost £200 for the engine, the 'busa was £3000..........................
seemingly no comparison BUT its not like that, as the vauxhall then needs lots of bits and bobs plus a gearbox etc.
Mine, with just over 200hp vauxhall XE engine, was on the road and SVA'd etc for around £5600.
I'd struggle to build a Busa one for that, but it deedn't be MUCH more if you were careful............
Basically, you won't do either for nowt unless you do it ALL yourself from scratch, but a very fast, nicely built car can be put together for
around £5500, either bike or car engined.
A "quick" and fun one can be put together for around £3000, again either bike or car engined..............
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Rasteirinho
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| posted on 19/8/08 at 03:23 PM |
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Well my main objective with the Locost is to participate in some Trackdays because to legalize a locost in Portugal is almost impossible given all the
burocracies associated.
So the Locost will be used only a few times per year.
The fact of having reverse or not, isn't important giving the trackday only usage.
Since i have restored an AE86 during the last 2 years, i have a spare car for parts which has a severe crash in the back.
From this car i can have everything, except the front uprights because it only has the one brace (the lower) instead of two like the cortina, old
hiaces, etc.
As i work in Toyota national representative in Portugal i can have Toyota parts at very good price, which is also a fact i must consider...
I would love to have the 12.000 rpm and sound of a BEC and the sequential gearbox.
However, i feel i can build a CEC for much better price.
But i don't want to have regrets about the choice i will made, whatever it will be...
'99 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI RS2
'85 Toyota Corolla GT TwinCam
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NS Dev
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| posted on 19/8/08 at 06:10 PM |
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the toyota AE86 (4age) engine is a good engine, great in a locost, nice combination of revs and torque spread. Its light as well
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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