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furryeggs

posted on 9/7/15 at 07:35 AM Reply With Quote
whats the easiest way to 180-220bhp on a budget.

I keep getting asked what engines going into my Tiger so I think its time to start seriously considering my options.

I won't have a lot to spend £1000 at the most. My original thoughts were a Zetec on bike carbs running Nodiz, I have a friend who can port the heads FOC but would this get me 200bhp for £1000.

what are my other options.

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jossey

posted on 9/7/15 at 07:42 AM Reply With Quote
Duratec
R1 bike. Won't get the 200hp for a grand but you have great power to weight
Vxr astra engine turbo on non.

Not a huge amount of choice in the Avon chassis really.





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ChrisLeary

posted on 9/7/15 at 07:50 AM Reply With Quote
Zetec, ITB's and cams would get you close to 200bhp I think, I'm prepared to be corrected though. That could definitely be done for less than a grand...

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posted on 9/7/15 at 08:01 AM Reply With Quote
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daniel mason

posted on 9/7/15 at 08:07 AM Reply With Quote
04-06 R1 yamaha. They can be had cheap,and obviously come with a box.
But you'll never do it for £1k by the time you've had an exhaust made,a prop,diff and mapped etc

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neilp1

posted on 9/7/15 at 08:15 AM Reply With Quote
Duratec - will be way over a grand ask me how I know!!

On a budget in an Avon - silver top Zetec if your running carbs, but I doubt you'll get near 200bhp.

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monkeyarms

posted on 9/7/15 at 08:52 AM Reply With Quote
SAAB turbo from a 93/95 ? Probably get a whole car for less than £1k, so engine ECU loom ect
Dont know about gearbox though.

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posted on 9/7/15 at 09:02 AM Reply With Quote
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kingster996

posted on 9/7/15 at 09:09 AM Reply With Quote
The engine is always the cheap bit.

Add on ex manifold, can, inlet manifold, carbs/itbs, clutch, flywheel, water pump mod, pulleys, sump, belts, gearbox, alternator, ECU,, engine mounts, fuel pump, regulator, filters, prop etc and your grand will have gone a while back.

It can be done of course, but I'd like to see a real breakdown of costs by those that have and bet that they grabbed a few used mega bargains in order to do it.

All IMHO of course.

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liam.mccaffrey

posted on 9/7/15 at 09:10 AM Reply With Quote
Volvo engine from a 700 series or a 900 series and standard tweaked management.
Redblock or white block, turbo or NA- 200HP and well within the scope of £1k





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coozer

posted on 9/7/15 at 09:18 AM Reply With Quote
BAM 225 out of a Seat Cupra R or Audi TT.

Comes with 225 bhp and stage 1 chip takes it up to 270....





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Volvorsport

posted on 9/7/15 at 09:37 AM Reply With Quote
gonna struggle on a grand.....

redblock might not fit in a narrow chassis like the tiger .....

must be somebody selling their pinto.....





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pewe

posted on 9/7/15 at 10:08 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by monkeyarms
SAAB turbo from a 93/95 ? Probably get a whole car for less than £1k, so engine ECU loom ect
Dont know about gearbox though.


Think it mates to a Vauxhall Omega box.
Try asking the guys at PPC.
IIRC they did an Escort with a SAAB turbo engine years ago (might even be able to dig out one or two of the articles if you're really interested).
Beauty of the SAAB engine is it will make c.300bhp without too much trouble and the bottom end is all but bomb-proof.
HTH.
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INDY BIRD

posted on 9/7/15 at 10:14 AM Reply With Quote
go for the black top zetec option,

you prob wont get 200 bhp for £1000 but get it installed you will prob see 150 to 160 bhp if you run carbs etc, then save a little cash for next year and upgrade the head and cams etc and arp bottom bolts you will see some where between 190 and 200 bhp then,

there was some cams on here for sale recently

best of luck

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Doctor Derek Doctors

posted on 9/7/15 at 10:23 AM Reply With Quote
You might be able to find a rusty old Nissan 200sx for a grand or so which will give you the 200bhp and be a complete donor.

Other than that I would trawl the for sale sections and eBay for a used but complete set-up that somebody is selling, you might get a bargain.





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coyoteboy

posted on 9/7/15 at 10:30 AM Reply With Quote
Surprises me that more folk dont use the 200SX engine, super cheap donors and good power. Maybe the engine is not dimensionally/mass-ily usable? A wealth of tuning parts and knowledge is available and the parts are cheap as chips, people regularly push 250-300 from them on stock internals as far as I can see?
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jossey

posted on 9/7/15 at 10:39 AM Reply With Quote
200sx won't fit in the tiger.

C20 xe
Zetec
Duratec

All will





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Irony

posted on 9/7/15 at 10:42 AM Reply With Quote
This answer will get me abuse I am sure:

Rover V8 - 4.0L produced 188 - 190BHP out of the box with plenty of reasonable upgrades available. You could get a whole Discovery for about a grand and sell the shell/scrap it to get some cash back.

Problem is the exhaust manifolds will cost you £1300 in stainless but you will sound like Zeus's thunderclap when going down the road.

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Paul AS

posted on 9/7/15 at 12:28 PM Reply With Quote
The real question is why do you think you need 200bhp in a 550-600kg car? Even 120 bhp will outperform the vast majority of hi power tintops and handle twice as well regadless. You can get 150bhp for relative pennies with little or no tuning with production car levels of reliability, which in a road going kit car will be a hoot!!

If you have a lot of horsepower, you then need to be able to keep it cool, stop it, get it round corners safely at higher speeds, stop it eating gearboxes, have appropriate more expensive tyres to cope with the power, buy extra pairs of brown under crackers etc.etc.

Boring approach? depends on your point of view. Smiles per ££ = much bigger!

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Angel Acevedo

posted on 9/7/15 at 01:32 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Paul AS
The real question is why do you think you need 200bhp in a 550-600kg car? Even 120 bhp will outperform the vast majority of hi power tintops and handle twice as well regadless. You can get 150bhp for relative pennies with little or no tuning with production car levels of reliability, which in a road going kit car will be a hoot!!

If you have a lot of horsepower, you then need to be able to keep it cool, stop it, get it round corners safely at higher speeds, stop it eating gearboxes, have appropriate more expensive tyres to cope with the power, buy extra pairs of brown under crackers etc.etc.

Boring approach? depends on your point of view. Smiles per ££ = much bigger!


What he said.
I took the V8 route and have realized that it was not the wisest.
I am goiing to continue as I have invested too much to go back and re-start...
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Doctor Derek Doctors

posted on 9/7/15 at 01:58 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jossey
200sx won't fit in the tiger.

C20 xe
Zetec
Duratec

All will


Its a Locost 7, if people can get V8's V10's and V12's in them I'm sure any 4 pot will go in. Might need a bit of fettling but then thats what building a car is all about.

Found a complete but dismantled 200sx on eBay for £1200, item no 221802915241





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JAG

posted on 9/7/15 at 02:04 PM Reply With Quote
You see - I agree with Paul AS.

Keep the power in the 100-160bhp mark and the weight around 500kg and you'll have the handling of a road-going-kart with 0-60 performance to beat most things.

Top speed is almost irrelevant as long as it will hit 100 mph you'll never want for more (unless you get into lot's of track days) and it will be relatively cheap to build, reliable to own and great fun





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posted on 9/7/15 at 02:32 PM Reply With Quote
A grand is quite a tight budget for an engine install imo.

By the time you have added exhaust, ecu, fueling, new set of belts, mounts, possibly sump and hoses, there is not much left.

My suggestion would be an st170 on bike carbs and nidiz, the proviso here is that the nodiz has an aux outlet that can switch the vct in vtec mode. With the st170 you may be able to use the inket manifold if you can re-space the carbs.You still need a box, this power will be pushing the limits of a type9 so worth looking at the rx8 box with a conversion plate, long thread on turbosport with a guy selling conversion kits on ebay.

Left field would be either the BMW straight 6 or lexus is200 bith come with a free gearbox (is200 is the same as the rx8), no idea if they will fit though and you will need an ecu.

Supercharged (Eaton m45) mx5 1.8 is a goid shout.





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big_wasa

posted on 9/7/15 at 02:46 PM Reply With Quote
Before you worry about max power are you Iva,ing the car as emissions are a big consideration.

If the engine is post August 1995 then forget about carbs. A zetec in an Avon is a well trodden path and a 150bhp zetec can be very cheap. A 200bhp zetec on the other hand is anything but.

Leave the extra power for next winters upgrade.

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posted on 9/7/15 at 03:48 PM Reply With Quote
The old Rover 2litre T series Turbo Sport engine would do 180bhp easily but it has to be the Sport version as it forged pistons.





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