Surrey Dave
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 11:04 AM |
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Small Efficient (non bike) Engine Ideas?
Having spent yesterday afternoon in traffic ,leaping over speed bumps and generally enjoying my self I was thinking that a small efficient lightweight
engine , more in keeping with the original 'Locost' might be an idea.
My thoughts where the obvious ones:
BMC 'A' series
1400 'K' series
1.25 16v Zetec
But there must be some better ones , preferably ally ,and able to mate to my type 9 box, and fit complete with original injection system.
I am even thinking Citroen 1.4 HDI 16v
Honda's are nice but spin the wrong way .
Would be interested in any other ideas
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tegwin
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 11:08 AM |
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I did some work on my old ladies Ford Ka 1.6 16v over the weekend...
Struck me as being a wonderful donor!....
Pretty light and powerfull....
What I want to see is someone using a small gas turbine to power electric motors in the wheels....If only I had the cash!
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bartonp
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 11:09 AM |
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Daihatsu 3 pot (998cc)? Very light, twin cam 12v, VVT.
No idea about RWD box, it may have found itself in a jeep-a-like?
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AndyGT
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 11:14 AM |
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Vauxhall have a wide range of engines and I am under the impression that they all fit to the XE type bell-housing...
Range from 2.0 16v Turbo to 1.2 16v
I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong...
nothing is impossible
everything is possible
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02GF74
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 11:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Surrey Dave
... I was thinking that a small efficient lightweight engine , more in keeping with the original 'Locost' might be an idea.
My thoughts where the obvious ones:
BMC 'A' series
it may be samll but not efficient nor being cast iron light.
what about the hillman imp - wasn;t that all allloy? Covernty climax for same reason, a nice period engine.
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tegwin
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 11:49 AM |
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The later engines in the Sport KA was alloy....isnt it?
And no, not stupidly powerfull, but would look good wth a turbo
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 11:58 AM |
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small fiat engine? not sure how difficult they are to connect to a type 9 though
the 1.2 SMPI FIRE engine from a punto sporting would be a nice little unit IMHO.. 
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 11:59 AM |
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hi,
how about a Suzuki capercheno drive train rear wheel drive 657 cc turbo engine 64 PS (63.1 bhp) @ 6,500rpm, double unequal length wish boans
all-round. Reves like a bike engine and you could can up the boost for more power also the cars rust like anything so there should be plenty of doners
about.
ok so i'm a bit biast after the gf bought one but they are still great fun to drive and a miny fury or 7 alike car based on one would be a
hoot.
[link]http://www.suzuki-cappuccino.com/a_information/a_cappuccino/tech_spec.php[/link]
blake
[Edited on 24/6/08 by ceebmoj]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 01:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
Vauxhall have a wide range of engines and I am under the impression that they all fit to the XE type bell-housing...
Range from 2.0 16v Turbo to 1.2 16v
I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong...
2.0 (XEs or other wise) are big block, meaning older (90s) 1.8s and above will bolt straight to it. Older 1.6s and newer 1.8s (and under) are small
block so would require a different bellhousing.
[Edited on 24/6/08 by loggyboy]
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myke pocock
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 02:08 PM |
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Depends exactly what your after spec wise. Multi valves, fuel injection, light weight, CC, cost etc?
The Skoda Favorit is conventional layout, all alloy, 1300cc, some come with injection but dont know what they will mate with though. Cheep as chips
in the breakers and can be tuned. Think of the alternative street cred!!!!
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smart51
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 02:09 PM |
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I wouldn't have thought an A series engine was either efficient or light. 60 BHP from 1275cc?
The toyota 1.0 3 cylinder engine (used by peugeot, citroen and daihatsu) makes 68 BHP and they claim it's the lightest car engine in production.
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coozer
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 03:10 PM |
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1.7 SE out of a Puma/Fiesta?? Nice light all alloy by Yamaha.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 03:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
I wouldn't have thought an A series engine was either efficient or light. 60 BHP from 1275cc?
It's fairly light for a cast iron engine, I can pick one up by myself without a hernia anyway.
You are confusing specific power output with efficiency.
An engine can be in a low state of tune and therefore have a fairly low power output, but can still be fuel efficient. As it happens the A series is
pretty good in this respect for it's age, due to the Weslake designed head.
However, it's an old engine that was launched 57 years ago, so it would be pretty tragic if their weren't better engines around by now.
The K series, the Zetec SE and the Vauxhall 1.6 Ecotec are all nice light, modern engines that can produce quite adequate amounts of power for a 7.
All can be mounted to a Type 9 via commercialy available bellhousings.
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Memphis Twin
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 04:16 PM |
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I've a great idea!
What about a nice, tuned 1700 X-Flow?
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Memphis Twin
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 04:19 PM |
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Or a nice tuned 1600 CVH?
Better than that 'orrible 1800 - much stronger bottom end.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 04:23 PM |
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I am on the lookout for a 1.4 Fiat Bravo unit (the new one, the old one is crap) it spins out a howling 150bhp and you can lift it off the bench
without a crane!
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Paul (Notts)
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 05:56 PM |
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Anothe vote for the ford puma 1.7.
Allready have one and planning my next build around it.
Paul
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britishtrident
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 06:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
quote:
Originally posted by Surrey Dave
... I was thinking that a small efficient lightweight engine , more in keeping with the original 'Locost' might be an idea.
My thoughts where the obvious ones:
BMC 'A' series
it may be samll but not efficient nor being cast iron light.
what about the hillman imp - wasn;t that all allloy? Covernty climax for same reason, a nice period engine.
At one time I considered the Chrysler Sunbeam 928cc rwd version of this engine, in the end memories of changing too many Imp cylinder head gaskets
swept it fropm my mind.
To make an Imp engine reliable you have to use Wills rings which can only be used if you convert to 998cc wet liners which is expensive.
The Metro single cam Rover K8 engine is an alternative in 1100 or 1400cc --- nice and simple distributer ignition and SU carb.
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 07:54 PM |
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hi again the capercinos owners club reckon around
engine - 60kg
gearbox - 25kg
witch I reckon is prity good for a car engine and box with reverse
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focijohn
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 07:58 PM |
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1.25 fez engine??
Anyone going slower than you is an idiot. Anyone going faster than you is a maniac.
Too many targets but too few bullets.
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Beardy_John
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 08:04 PM |
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Does the Puma 1.7 fit to a Type 9??
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iank
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| posted on 24/6/08 at 09:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Beardy_John
Does the Puma 1.7 fit to a Type 9??
Not without a bell housing.
Bit left field, but the Nissan micra 1.3 would fit the bill nicely if it could be persuaded to bolt to a type 9. All aluminium, 16v and no power as
standard, but ditch the inlet/outlet manifolds and put something better than a drinking straw bore exhaust on and they can be made to go as well as a
Suzuki swift.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 25/6/08 at 08:46 AM |
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thanks
Thanks for some interesting info keep it coming .
[Edited on 25/6/08 by Surrey Dave]
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sevaun
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| posted on 25/6/08 at 09:01 AM |
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Small Engines
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Originally posted by Surrey Dave
Thanks for some interesting info kee it coming .
Might Isuggest I a Punto Sporting 1.4 which has a great 16v multipoint injection engine. Very light and puts out a respectible 95BHP as standard. I
own one and can testify that it's a great torquey little unit. I actually tow my Hillclimb locost with mine and it gets me everywhere!!
Not sure how it would mate to a rwd gearbox, but where there's a will....
Sevaun
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 25/6/08 at 03:24 PM |
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Fiat!?
This FIAT engine sounds interesting although I generally give FIAT's a very wide berth!!
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