I'm approaching the end of my build and am looking to the future when I would like to upgrade my engine (from a 2L pinto currently)
I like the look of a few engines such as the Vauxhall XE and Zetec but it seems they won't fit into an Indy without replacing the injection
system with carbs or throttle bodies, which I can't really afford to do.
Does anyone know of an engine that will fit straight into an Indy and will give good power? I'm looking for something in the region of 150bhp+
but I'll consider any suggestions...
Thanks,
Pete
[Edited on 14/7/04 by scoobyis2cool]
VeganTune has a 170hp twin cam engine, and they fit them in LoCosts I believe.
VeganTune Website
http://www.datahighways.co.uk/vegantune/
I think this is a Caterham, but it's got the vegantune twin-cam fitted.
http://freespace.virgin.net/shaw.clan/imagegallery.html
R1 or ZX12 They should open your eyes and maybe other orifices.
150 bhp is realtively easy to achieve with the 2ltr pinto you already have... so why bother ?
The bit about having to remove the standard injection on a zetec.
It may be favourable, but I don't think it's absolutely essential. Here's a zetec on standard induction in a westfield. Ok,
there's a turbo on it, but the throttle body and inlet manifold are all bog stock. You can also use the ford exhaust manifold - I've done
it. Going to a zetec doesn't have to be a terrble expense - it's just the caterham boys that insist it does.
Milleniumtree, thanks for that, I have emailed them to find out some costs etc, is it a completely new engine developed by them or a development of an
existing engine? Looks interesting anyway
MK-Ninja, although a bike engine would be good I think it would be quite costly for me to upgrade since I would have to get an engine cradle welded
into my chassis and also get a new propshaft. Also I don't really understand bike engines so I'd rather stick with a car engine if possible!
(maybe i'm just a chicken!)
Protofj, I realise I could get 150bhp out of a pinto but really i want the option to get more at a later date, which would be costly with a pinto.
Zilspeed, that looks intersting, do you know if the person in question had any difficulty with the positioning of the steering shaft? i think this
would be the main issue, I suppose there might be a way of adding another joint into it to get it to miss the injection system? Do you have a website
or link to any more pics of this engine?
Thanks for all the replies, got a few things to think about now. Anyway, I suppose i'd better get my pinto up and running before I get ahead of
myself!
Pete
I'd strongly consider a nissan 200sx 1.8turbo engine if I weren't going the vauxhall route....
Ned.
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Originally posted by ned
I'd strongly consider a nissan 200sx 1.8turbo engine if I weren't going the vauxhall route....
Ned.
Pete,
I'm afriad I never researched it that much. I saw an engine on ebay that wasn't that expensive. You could use the donor gearbox which would
be easier than an adapter to the ford box. It was rwd to start with, so no probs with baffling sump etc.
Don't know how well it fits; someone on here did start a build using this engine but abandoned it because of the electrics I think. I'll see
if I can remember who it was...
I have heard it'll tune to 240bhp on standard engine internals though..
Ned.
edit:
gjn200 was going to put one in an avon, maybe worth asking him. The engine code was ca18det and it was 175bhp standard I believe.
edit again:
this one on ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10402&item=2484241744&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW also read
somewhere else that it is physically smaller than a pinto..
[Edited on 14/7/04 by ned]
I'm sure I read somewhere that a Rover V8 will fit in an Indy. It will certainly give you between 155 and 200 BHP without much effort and have
the lovely V8 soundtrack to boot!
Cheers,
Craig.
If you want to have a standard engine to go on with and update later why not look at the rover K. you can keep the ecu and injection system as standard initially and its actually quite low in height with respect to the top of the head. Its also extremely light.
quote:
Originally posted by stressy
If you want to have a standard engine to go on with and update later why not look at the rover K. you can keep the ecu and injection system as standard initially and its actually quite low in height with respect to the top of the head. Its also extremely light.
I quite like the sound of the K series, especially if I can get one in 150 BHP spec as standard, I can't be ars*d with all the fiddling about,
I'd rather just drive it.
I've currently got 1 1.8 Pinto in mine so I might even be up for your old 2 litre Pinto if it's going begging 
MK7
quote:
Originally posted by MK7
I might even be up for your old 2 litre Pinto if it's going begging
MK7
Dont forget the nice little Toyota engines either. How about 20 valves or throttle bodies as standard or super chargers? mmmmm
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Originally posted by paulbeyer
Dont forget the nice little Toyota engines either. How about 20 valves or throttle bodies as standard or super chargers? mmmmm
The 200SX engine looks pretty good, 170bhp out of the box would be nice.
Found a couple of comments regarding difficult wiring and possible troubles keeping it cool, anyone had experience of either of these issues?
Pete
quote:
Originally posted by MK7
I quite like the sound of the K series, especially if I can get one in 150 BHP spec as standard, I can't be ars*d with all the fiddling about, I'd rather just drive it.
MK7
Personally my current intention is to use my Pinto to get up and running - much like yourself but future plans include the ability to legimately put a
cosworth badge on the back....
being the same block as the pinto i think is possibly the easiest (although expensive) option...
Plus of course i can't help but admire Hicost's machine...
Scooby,
what sort of budget are we actually talking about????
If you are on a real budget but hanker turbo power try a Nissan Sylvia engine and box.
Basically an 8 valve 200sx lump but whole cars can be usually had for less than £50 out of your local free ads!
If you're keen on having lots of them:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10402&item=2484373333&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
James
quote:
Originally posted by stressy
Scooby,
what sort of budget are we actually talking about????
quote:
Originally posted by protofj
Personally my current intention is to use my Pinto to get up and running - much like yourself but future plans include the ability to legimately put a cosworth badge on the back....
being the same block as the pinto i think is possibly the easiest (although expensive) option...
Plus of course i can't help but admire Hicost's machine...
Hi,
One thing to bear in mind is that big power usually means big heat and extra stress on drivetrain and brakes so try to make sure that you keep your
eye open for some of the parts you will need to support a more exotic engine as soon as possible in your build. Ideally try to build these in to your
initial design to avoid any unnecessary rework later.
The things I'm thinking about mainly are the radiator, braking system, diff, propshaft, gearbox, driveshafts etc etc.
[Just looked at your initial post - Maybe you are a bit too far on with your build to make much of my comments above but you can still look out for
any performance parts that you might need. Ebay is always a great source of stuff you don't need right away so don't wait until you DO need
it 
]
Cheers,
Craig.
[Edited on 15/7/2004 by craig1410]
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Originally posted by scoobyis2cool
Cosworth would be very nice indeed! How much do you think it will cost for a complete installation? How much power are you expecting?
Pete
and errr Lots
I have considered the SR20DET that all of the 240SX guys love over here in the states. It would be a pretty expensive option. However, factory
turbocharging and tons of power make it almost worth it.
The CA18 from the Japanese 180SX is also a good engine.
What about the 4AGE, or 4AGZE? Lots of power, and reasonably cheap. I have no idea what those engines go for over the pond though.
-Aston
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Originally posted by Aston
I have considered the SR20DET that all of the 240SX guys love over here in the states. It would be a pretty expensive option. However, factory turbocharging and tons of power make it almost worth it.
IIRC the 2 litre engines was found in the newer editions, maybe 97/8ish onwards, hence a more expensive donor.
id go bike myself, bag a zx9 for 500 quite easily. then you have good power and even better weight.
on the plus side you can get crap loads of power out of the sylvia/sx engines.
i am tempted by the idea of turboing a big beamer engine too, i recently read about a 800bhp 'homemade turbo' 3.8 lump. old m5 origin.
Ah yeah sorry, the 2L was in the later models which are fairly expensive but you may be able to get hold of an engine on its own relatively cheaply.
The older 1.8 still produces 171bhp and you can get hold of a donor for well under £500 so I'd say that's still a possibility.
WRT bike engines, I'm not sure it's really what I'm after, I want something that will be fairly driveable on the roads and I've
heard bike engines cane be a bit of a pain when crawling around town. Also I think there may be a lot more work to do to fit one - making engine
frame, new propshaft with adapter, gear lever etc, not sure if my skills (or budget) are quite up to that at the moment. Still, I'm not
discounting them yet...
Joel, 800bhp in a locost, are you mad?! Would be intersting to see but pretty difficult to keep in a straight line I'd imagine, and you'd
get through tyres at a ridiculous rate! Would still like to see you try though
Pete
i too would like to see me try, but i suspect it wont happen! the guy who made it was a mad swede, using a truck turbo, in a 3 series chassis.
Impressive stuff?! i do like the idea of the 'carb-in-a-box-turbos', so if ever i get bored or see a cheap 535 or m5 etc, i might be
tempted. before that, i hope to make a zx9 gokart!
Perhaps not terribly expensive for some. However, for me, a $1200 engine + tranny is expensive. And that typically doesn't include the
"bits" you would need to make it actually work.
A full front clip can be had over here for about $2000. Still expensive, but it would come with everything you need.
$1200-$2000 on an engine is a lot of money for me. I think our definitions of the word "expensive" may be slightly differant. If a couple
thousand dollars is no big deal for you, then i'd say "Go for it!". An SR20DET Locost would be awesome.
-Aston
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Originally posted by scoobyis2cool
quote:
Originally posted by Aston
I have considered the SR20DET that all of the 240SX guys love over here in the states. It would be a pretty expensive option. However, factory turbocharging and tons of power make it almost worth it.
Why do you say this would be an expensive option? I was beginning to think it might be fairly cheap - fits into locost chassis without mods, gearbox also fits so no need to a bellhousing to a ford box. you'd need some way to connect it to the diff and obviously an exhaust, but this wouldn't even need a cat.
Maybe I'm missing something here, anyone care to point it out before I end up getting hold of an engine that is going to cost me a fortune?!
Pete
Zetec SE you can pick them up for £350-400. The 1.6 from fiesta/focus year 2000 onwards. Very small and compact I think you could use the original inj system. You need a aftermarket bellhousing £200 but no sump mods required because of it,s size. Check out www.shawspeed.com
200sx motors in 1.8 Ca18det were upto 1994, from 94 they were the 2.0l SR20det with 205 bhp, still old shape. So a 94 2.0 with nop cat is a good
option.
Ally engine instead of steel, loks very promising.
Just saw a nice car for sale complete and mot'd for £1600, so a crashed damaged one would be coming closer to my budget !