Ferg
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 03:50 PM |
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Fitting a Type 9 to an 1100 Crossflow.
Does anyone have any practical experience of driving a 'Seven' with an 1100 Crossflow and Type 9???
I'm 99% of the way to doing it and someone has put a fly in the ointment and told me it will be REALLY gutless and I'd be better off with
a 4-speed......
I'm actually fitting a Type 9 because it fits the chassis better.
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raccoonradar
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:05 PM |
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I have a locost with a 1.3 crossflow, with a 4 speed box its fun but it lacks the giggle factor ! will be swopping engine for more power, I think
you will get fed up with a 1.1 in no time
easier to change engine before its fitted !!
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ned
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:11 PM |
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I believe Ben Copeland has an 1100 in his car until he gets it through sva. Not sure how far he is with it as I've not spoken to him in a
while..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Ferg
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by raccoonradar
I have a locost with a 1.3 crossflow, with a 4 speed box its fun but it lacks the giggle factor ! will be swopping engine for more power, I think
you will get fed up with a 1.1 in no time
easier to change engine before its fitted !!
You misunderstand.
The engine is a pre-requisite, the gearbox is in question.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:25 PM |
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Ferg,
I've heard the same view of the 4-speed! In other words, it's a useful box that's good for hooning around lanes, etc.
I have the type 9 5-speed - I'm out of 1st in seconds and never return during normal driving. 5th I only use when zooming down the big roads -
and that's not very often (apart from the A12/A14).
David
[Edited on 28/2/06 by David Jenkins]
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Ferg
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:28 PM |
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Your's isn't an 1100 though is it David???
Actually my crisis moment has now passed. I have consulted with someone who's knowledge of such things is, in my opinion, second to none and he
has declared my original informant "a Bu**shi**er"!
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02GF74
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ferg
Does anyone have any practical experience of driving a 'Seven' with an 1100 Crossflow and Type 9???
I'm 99% of the way to doing it and someone has put a fly in the ointment and told me it will be REALLY gutless and I'd be better off with
a 4-speed......
if type 9 is 5 speed, then surely it will have lower ratios than 4 speed so will be more gutsy? 
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Ferg
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:36 PM |
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Ist and 4th are near as dammit the same, 2nd and 3rd are slightly different and 5th is overdriven.
The way I see it is that it *might* just struggle to pull 5th...no big deal...but in a car much lighter than the Escort it has a fair chance of doing
so.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ferg
Your's isn't an 1100 though is it David???
True... 1660cc
If I had the cash I'd fit a set of Quaiffe gears so that I could actually use them all equally... probably improve the performance of the car
more than an engine upgrade!
David
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 04:48 PM |
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You're right about the 1>4 gears in the 5 speed. Not a lot different to the 4 speed.
I did a locost with a 1L Fiesta engine on a 5 speed a couple of years ago, for a youngster. You should try and get a 4.1, or better a 4.4 diff, to
give you a bit more enjoyment, and 5th will give it some legs on the motorways and big A roads. You might find a 4.6 or higher back end with some of
the rally fellas, which would be even better.
I found it had to be going about 40 before you could put it in 5th with any success.
Syd.
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oily85
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 05:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
If I had the cash I'd fit a set of Quaiffe gears
You don't want to do that, go to Geartech instead
[Edited on 28/2/06 by oily85]
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Ferg
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 05:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge
I did a locost with a 1L Fiesta engine on a 5 speed a couple of years ago, for a youngster.
Thanks Syd that sounds the definitive answer
then!!!
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southpaw
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 05:40 PM |
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Hi Ferg!
Hows the build going?
Sorry I can't help with the gearbox, I'm clueless with that kind of stuff. 
I'm still jealous of your Libra.
BTW, if you don't know who I am, I chatted to you a while ago by email about a Libra or kit car for when I'm 17. 
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zilspeed
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 05:56 PM |
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My memory of the type 9 is the gaping chasm between the gears. 2nd to 3rd was worst if I remember correctly. Not what could be called sporting at all.
Having said, I will be using a type 9 in the new car because that's what's available. I suspect it will feel terrible after the GTM which
had an actual CR gearbox.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 06:43 PM |
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Unless you have a very short rear axle ratio or a massively powerful engine 5th gear dosen't really come into the performance stakes ---- its
an "overdrive" ratio for reduicng engine rpm when cruising -- the maximum speed will be reach in 4th or sometimes if you look at old
Autocar road tests on 1960s and 70s production cars 3rd gear.
4th gear ratio is the same on a ford 4 speed as a type 9 ---- in fact its is the same 99.99% of RWD cars througout the world 1:1 direct drive
Almost all Ford mainstream RWD gearboxes use much the same first 3 ratios --- the main exceptions being the world famous semi close ratio 2000e and
Rocket gearboxes which longer first gears and slightly longer second gears.
The type 9 used on the 2.8 V6 also a had semi-close ratios.
A proper close ratio gearbox is a very big advantage in a very light sports car with a tuned engine --- much more so than a n extra 5th gear.
[Edited on 28/2/06 by britishtrident]
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raccoonradar
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 07:58 PM |
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You misunderstand.
The engine is a pre-requisite, the gearbox is in question.
I always get the wrong end of the stick.
the point i was trying to make was if a 1.3 with a 4 speed is lacking in power then a 1.1 would be " REALLY gutless" no matter what
gearbox you fitted, but i think the other people answered the question better than me as always now where's that stick
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 28/2/06 at 08:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by oily85
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
If I had the cash I'd fit a set of Quaiffe gears
You don't want to do that, go to Geartech instead
[Edited on 28/2/06 by oily85]
Can't afford them, either... 
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