carnut
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:34 PM |
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CALLING ALL ENGINEERS
Astronautics engineer Jon Jennings has this week set up an online petition with the Prime Minister's office to call for the title of
"engineer" to be recognised and protected as a professional one, in a similar way to other professional titles.
Jennings has joined an escalating list of people using 10 Downing Street's online petition trial to drum up support for campaigns they believe
in.
"Car mechanics, plumbers and electricians are now commonly referred to as engineers, and banks now regard engineers as semi skilled," says
his petition.
With very few signatories to date, the petition already tops the "business and industry" category. But it still lags well behind the road
pricing petition which received 1.7M signatories before it closed on Tuesday and even falls short of the 3,707 who want the prime minister to stand on
his head and juggle ice-cream.
So if you agree that the status of the engineer is undervalued in society sign the petition:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Engineer-Status/
Oh and of course pass it on to all your engineering friends.
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nib1980
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:36 PM |
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so what about frank dibbner, he was a real engineer but with no qualifications, can he not use the title?
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carnut
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:38 PM |
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You mean fred dibnah? I was under the impression he was a steeplejack
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owelly
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:39 PM |
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An engineer will have the paperwork to prove it! At my place of employment, we have 'engineers' that are only called such because they are
employed as 'engineers'. Most are skilled workers with a trade but some were just at the right place at the right time.
Would a Nurse claim to be a Dr??
Not sure what the point of my posting was but never mind!!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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owelly
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:41 PM |
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Fred Dibnah was a true craftsman and artist. Not an engineer or a boilersmith or a miner etc......
He was also a funny little man.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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nib1980
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:42 PM |
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I'm an engineer so spelling's not my strong point  but the point stands, he knew more about true engineering, than a lot of uni grads
do nowadays.
I agree in principle that the title engineer is miss used by some people, but there needs to be a better definition process.
As I was always taught, it's ok to find a problem, but it's no good complaining without a robust solution (or solutions) in your
answer.
just my two penneth
quote:
Originally posted by carnut
You mean fred dibnah? I was under the impression he was a steeplejack
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owelly
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:45 PM |
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When reading through CVs for en engineer, most potential employers only read the last job the candidate had. If that job was as an
'engineer' and the refs were good, why not employ them? It doesn't make them an engineer though!!
You need to be able to read imperial verniers to be a 'proper' engineer!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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nib1980
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:48 PM |
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A very valid point. the last grad we had I sat and watched trying to take a brake calliper off, after 10 mins of watching him tighten the bolts, I
explained the anti clockwise would loosen them
quote:
Originally posted by owelly
You need to be able to read imperial verniers to be a 'proper' engineer!
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snapper
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:52 PM |
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hes got two honoury doctorates does that count?
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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nib1980
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 08:54 PM |
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So has Clarkson.
quote:
Originally posted by snapper
hes got two honoury doctorates does that count?
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whitestu
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 09:00 PM |
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Define an engineer.
Stu
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coozer
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 09:02 PM |
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quote:
You need to be able to read imperial verniers to be a 'proper' engineer!
Hmm, does that mean Europe engineers are not 'proper'??
I've not seen a drawing in our engineering department that uses anything but the Romans measurements!
Its generally old guys who can't move on as is required to survive these days...
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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UncleFista
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 09:08 PM |
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Fred Dibnah, in his own words was a "back street mechanic".
He knew what an engineer is and would've never had the temerity to call himself one 
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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cossiebri
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 09:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nib1980
So has Clarkson.
quote:
Originally posted by snapper
hes got two honoury doctorates does that count?
clarkson is not an engineer, he is GOD!
If it doesn't fit MODIFY it!!
Cheers BriF
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andrews_45
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 09:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
quote:
You need to be able to read imperial verniers to be a 'proper' engineer!
Hmm, does that mean Europe engineers are not 'proper'??
I've not seen a drawing in our engineering department that uses anything but the Romans measurements!
Its generally old guys who can't move on as is required to survive these days...
Measurements on Rolls Royce jet engines are all in imperial. You dont get too much further advanced technologically than that!
[Edited on 27/2/07 by andrews_45]
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carnut
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 09:59 PM |
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This post was not made to start an argument and i did not write it. (i pasted it from an email). The idea of this post was to give Engineers the same
status as their equals in other proffessions such as accountants.
Carnut
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JoelP
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 10:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by carnut
This post was not made to start an argument and i did not write it. (i pasted it from an email). The idea of this post was to give Engineers the same
status as their equals in other proffessions such as accountants.
Carnut
we know, we debated it seriously last time it was posted and thought we'd have a laugh this time! lol, joking in case you take me seriously
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 10:35 PM |
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Define an engineer.
Well for a start you'd need to be able to find your own arse using both hands. Most of the so called engineers (qualified and otherwise) only
know how to cover their arse. I'd also say that you need to know your own limits of knowledge, and/or have the ability to find out or understand
what you don't already know.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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rick q
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 11:05 PM |
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Down here in the colonies, at least in Queensland, the "Professional Engineers Act" prohibits anyone using the term "engineer"
unless they are eligible for Membership of the Institute of Engineers Australia.
Basically it stops things like the "night soil collection man" calling himself a "sanitary engineer"  and such like.
The result is that dealing with an "engineer" means that the person has relevant tertiary qualifications. Doesn't mean he's
particularly clever or anything, but at least he's obliged to carry Professional Indemnity insurance to fix his mistakes.
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stevec
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 11:13 PM |
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I agree washing machine "fitters" should not be called engineers, but most of the engineers I have come across have suffered far too much
education and could not find thier arse with a bit of bog roll outside the little world they are "expert" in.
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chrisg
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 11:33 PM |
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My wife always terribly funny that my qualifications are in civil engineering.
As she rightly points out I'm the least "civil" person she knows.
In the yellow pages under "boring" it used to say "see civil engineers", I can vouch for that!
Cheers
Chris
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marcjagman
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 11:50 PM |
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So does that mean the 6 years of blood, sweat and tears that I spilled for an HNC in engineering were for nothing? If I am not a skilled man, then who
is?
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 27/2/07 at 11:52 PM |
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quote:
So does that mean the 6 years of blood, sweat and tears that I spilled for an HNC in engineering were for nothing? If I am not a skilled man, then who
is?
No it doesn't we are in the same boat you and I. The good ship real engineers. And whats more we built it ourselves
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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caber
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| posted on 28/2/07 at 12:00 AM |
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I am afraid that engineers that have a degree and no experience do not deserve to be called engineers. Engineers that have spent many years
practically working and solving problems deserve the title Engineer whether or not they have a degree or HNC or whatever other qualification.
Unfortunately the Institutes do not recognise years of experience unless backed up by a degree which is unfortunately worth less and less as time
goes by and the system is massaged to provide more and more worthless graduates. So I for one will not be supporting this petition.
Caber
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 28/2/07 at 12:06 AM |
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Here here.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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