Major Stare
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| posted on 16/11/09 at 11:25 PM |
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Power Commander.... does it need mapping?
Currently biding for a Power Commander on fleabay - for a 2003 R1.
Do i need to download a map and run it?... if so how far off would this be? Or is it not worth it?
Jon "FISH"
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nitram38
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| posted on 16/11/09 at 11:28 PM |
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That and a rolling road.......
For IVA you will need an emissions specific map
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A1
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 12:55 AM |
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you just download all the maps from the website, then put them off, you can tweek them for best performance, rolling road would be a good plan though,
but not necessary. I noticed a huge difference in power using one of them.
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Major Stare
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 07:36 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by A1I noticed a huge difference in power using one of them.
A huge difference
I just wanted to know, if i installed a map, would it be better than it is currently as stock?
Jon "FISH"
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Gergely
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 08:17 AM |
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I have been told that I could actually damage the engine if running it with a totally incorrect map. Too rich or too lean, not good if pushed really
hard - on track for example. So a rolling road session is required I think - unless you have exactly the same setup as someone else and you can get
the map from them.
My 2 ps worth...
Gergely
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adithorp
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 08:52 AM |
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Yes, you can down load maps but these are maps made for bike specific set-ups of various air filter/exhaust combinations; From stock to custom (ie.
Standard air filter and exhaust, K+N filter and stock exhaust, etc).
You'll not find one for a car set-up but someone on here might send you one they've done. They're OK as a starting point but will
need tweeking. I started like that and then tweeked the map using a JAW lambda senson and a bit of "feel" and got to a usable map that was
a big improvement.
However, I then had it rolling road mapped and the difference is VERY noticable! No flat spots or hesitation and more power...right through the range.
It's the improved drivability more than the power improvment that makes it worth while.
You could spend ages playing with it on the road but it's very difficult to set all rev and throttle positions while dealing with road
hazards!
adrian
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Triggerhappy
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 08:57 AM |
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i Have to put some emphasis on that the powercommander is an tweaking instrument to alter fuleing.
Just that!
It will not add horses or anything if not adjusted correctly under resonably controlled enviorment. It will let YOU add or take away fuel under
different load conditions...rpm/TPS value is the X and Y axle...on top of what the ECU does when it considers all other sensors.
And yes, it will let you destroy your engine if you take away to much fuel.
Having that said, as earlier stated...you will NOT find "the perfect" map on powercommanders web site as NON of those maps taken your air
inlet nor your exhaust configuration or fuel pressure in account wich is not anything like the bike....
Reason for you getting the power commander is the ability and great option of getting YOUR fueling right for YOUR exact installation
(inlet>Exhaust, fuel pressure etc) So if you invest in the instrument...get it set-up right....then enjoy an perfect fueling!!
Of cource the "good enough" rule applies.
i would not set for less than an rolling road base mapping and final tuning with AFR instrument on the real road.
An now to answer your question:
You can download an 0 (zero) map that basically puts the powercommander to rest..it will do nothing to fuel map so you safley can have it installed
without it doing any alterations to what you have today, connect your laptop to it and you can monitor RPM and TPS. Of cource the mapping option is
there and please seek an good tuner with rolling road to at least do the base mapping with an AFR instrument and good knowledge.
[Edited on 17/11/09 by Triggerhappy]
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Major Stare
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 08:40 PM |
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Thanks all.
Im now in two minds...
Leave engine as it is?
Buy Power Commander and K&N, then save up for a RR before fitting?
Jon "FISH"
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adithorp
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 09:01 PM |
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With a different exhaust (and induction? ) you could be running too weak without one and be risking damage.
Only way to know is to put wideband lambda on it and see what it's running at. Won't be ideal mixture.
adrian
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Major Stare
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 09:21 PM |
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Exhaust has tuned primarys connected to a Techcraft repacable can.
Induction is standard apart from the box turned 180deg to fit.
Concerns now i could be damaging the engine.
Perhaps i need to post a Wanted topic for a map?????
Jon "FISH"
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Triggerhappy
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 09:45 PM |
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If the price is right , buy it and load an zero map, save up for RR session or weld in an Lambda bunge to your exhaust and borrow an friends wide
lambda equipment and then hit the road (with friend and laptop) and do an crude mapping. Aim for aprox AFR 12~13 under high TPS >60% and aprox 14
under low drag coasting.... im sure people knowing your specific engine will fill in on those values...
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franky
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| posted on 17/11/09 at 10:31 PM |
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buy it and get it mapped. It's worth doing.
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Triggerhappy
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| posted on 18/11/09 at 09:27 AM |
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Thats the clever question you don´t know the answer to until you had it done. 
Best way to check if you are of in fueling is to use an AFR gauge and then have an testdrive with it.
An moore straight way to answer would be...on my 4 latest bikes (ZX10R-04 , R1-04 and GSXR1000-03 and -05) the mapping was imroving register from
"some" to YEAH! As an collective (my own bikes as well as my friends...wich in latest years would give an experience base from something
like 30 bikes ,all R-bikes) answer is that non of them got an less than noticable improvment...altering modestly in inlet outlet or in BEC case
usually also fuelpressure alterations it will definetly be an crisper ride adjusted...and if your lucky some NICE gains in RWP and smooth
powercurve.
But if you expect +15Hp all over just by downloding an map...then im sorry you will not be satisfied.
Just do it!
 
zx10r posing ;)
[Edited on 18/11/09 by Triggerhappy]
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