flyingkiwi
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| posted on 23/10/05 at 05:34 PM |
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Prop Shaft Spacer
Bit like it say's on the tin really.
After hours of exhaustive searching on the tinternet, I'm stumped for a solution.
Finally got the engine running to a point where I was happy to drive the car under its own power (yay!) threw the car in reverse and clunk clunk
clunk.
From what I can gather my prop shaft is about 20mm too short and when in reverse the splines of the gearbox are not quite engaging on the prop. The
best solution I guess is to get a new prop shaft made up, but for the mean time I was wondering were to get hold of a spacer. I saw one on ebay for
sale not too long ago, so it must be possible.
Any ideas?
Cheers
Chris
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Stu16v
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| posted on 23/10/05 at 08:26 PM |
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What gearbox is fitted?
Dont just build it.....make it!
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Peteff
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| posted on 23/10/05 at 09:38 PM |
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in reverse the splines of the gearbox are not quite engaging on the prop
The splines don't move in relation to the prop. They are engaged as soon as the prop nose enters the gearbox tailshaft whether you are in forward
or reverse gear. With a live axle you need some leeway on the amount of prop in the gearbox to allow for movement of the axle. It sounds more like a
gearbox problem than propshaft.
 
Tunnel and prop angle
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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flyingkiwi
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| posted on 24/10/05 at 06:27 AM |
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looking at your pic pete, my shaft ( ) is in no way, shape or form, as far in as yours! will take a pic today whilst at work
Its an old mk2 escort box with the gear lever that screws down (no idea of mk number)
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 24/10/05 at 10:34 AM |
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Sounds to me like you probably need more than 20mm. You want as much of the splined section engaged as possible whilst leaving enough clearance so
that it doesn't bottom out when the axles moves around.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 24/10/05 at 11:46 AM |
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Bit of a bodge and definatly not safe for use but to get you rolling what about extending your present prop? If you can find a prop with the same
internal diameter as your present outside diameter could cut and sleeve it until your happy with the length. Then you have a pattern to get new one
made up. Bailey Morris are just down the A1 at Eaton Socon near St Neots.
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flyingkiwi
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| posted on 24/10/05 at 07:25 PM |
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Right, took some pics, looks like a trip to the spare prop man....
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Hmmm,
[Edited on 26-1010-0505 by flyingkiwi]
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andyharding
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| posted on 24/10/05 at 07:53 PM |
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I'm sure that is very dangerous. I reckon it will launch itself if you try to use it at high speed.
For the sake of your legs I would get a new prop. MK Sportcars will make one for you at a good price.
[Edited on 24/10/05 by andyharding]
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 24/10/05 at 08:33 PM |
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I would hazard a guess that the prop was designed for a type 9, but a 4 speed escort box is fitted
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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flyingkiwi
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| posted on 25/10/05 at 06:28 AM |
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Thats my thinking, need to take some measurements and get me a new one. Gutted! Just got the engine running right!
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 25/10/05 at 11:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flyingkiwi
Thats my thinking, need to take some measurements and get me a new one. Gutted! Just got the engine running right!
If that's the case, why not fit a 5 speed type 9 box?
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flyingkiwi
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| posted on 25/10/05 at 06:00 PM |
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That was my next post. There's five granada's and one auto sierra sat outside the club at the mo. Is the type 9 fitted to the Granada and
if so is it a straight swap? Will do some searching about it too.
Many thanks
Chris
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flyingkiwi
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| posted on 25/10/05 at 07:20 PM |
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Right, been searching for hours and I've found out that the gearbox is a mt75 (bloke wants a pint of lager and 2 packets of crisps).
My big question is, can I fit the mt75 into my bog standard book chassis without any mods? Been looking though hundreds of posts and still none the
wiser. I gather the engine and gearbox will just slide together, but do I need to change the clutch from the standard xflow one? It's all bloody
confusing!!!
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paulf
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| posted on 25/10/05 at 08:55 PM |
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The MT75 is a lot bigger in the bellhousing area and tailshaft is different, a type 9 prop would not fit it as it uses a flange and donut type output
instead of the splines .I also think that the 4 speed output shaft is smaller than a type 9 so your drive shaft may not fit a type 9 either.
You could always move the engine mounts, or remake them if you have enough space around the bell housing to move the engine back this may be your best
option .
Paul.
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My big question is, can I fit the mt75 into my bog standard book chassis without any mods? Been looking though hundreds of posts and still none the
wiser. I gather the engine and gearbox will just slide together, but do I need to change the clutch from the standard xflow one? It's all bloody
confusing!!!
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flyingkiwi
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| posted on 25/10/05 at 09:48 PM |
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No space around the bellhousing to move the engine back, tight as it is....
bugger bugger bugger bugger......Really fancied the mt75 option, but not the cut and shut chassis bit. Bloody car is rapidly turning into a nightmare!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 25/10/05 at 09:59 PM |
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Calm down, £25 in the scrappies for a type 9, almost certainly no alterations to the chassis, 1 days building lost, on the plus side, 5 gears,
improved performance and economy, easier parts sourcing (if you ever need them)
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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flyingkiwi
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| posted on 26/10/05 at 06:23 AM |
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cheers mark, bit calmer now!
Right now just need to find a scrappy nearby.....
Thanks for all the help guys
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 26/10/05 at 07:26 AM |
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It's been a while since I fitted my type 9 to the x-flow, but you will need to change your clutch a bit.
If I recall it correctly, it's the x-flow clutch cover with a Sierra friction plate (from the 1300 Sierra, I think). The friction plate is
easily available, certainly from Burton Power.
David
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owelly
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| posted on 26/10/05 at 01:12 PM |
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Back to the beginning a bit.................
take your prop to your local engineering emporium and get them to spin an ally spacer to match the flanges (snigger) including the registers if there
are any. Get some longer bolts or drill and tap the spacer.
For the sake of a few beer tokens and 20 mins to fit the spacer........
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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flyingkiwi
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| posted on 26/10/05 at 04:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Back to the beginning a bit.................
take your prop to your local engineering emporium and get them to spin an ally spacer to match the flanges (snigger) including the registers if there
are any. Get some longer bolts or drill and tap the spacer.
For the sake of a few beer tokens and 20 mins to fit the spacer........
Was my origional idea, the guys at work would do this for me,
Fancy the type 9 idea as it solves a couple of problems in one, including how to make a gear lever extension. (Cheers David!) Just need to find one
now, all the breakers around here have no sierra's (Hmmm, could it be the relationship between Leugo and Peterborough???)
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paulf
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| posted on 26/10/05 at 07:36 PM |
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You could try Frank Beale at Desborough , he had a few sierras in the last time I was there, or kettering scrapyard on Northampton road, usually a few
in there but mostly with MT75s now.
Paul
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Originally posted by flyingkiwi
Just need to find one now, all the breakers around here have no sierra's (Hmmm, could it be the relationship between Leugo and Peterborough???)
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