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myke pocock

posted on 15/1/19 at 10:51 PM Reply With Quote
V5 Description

Curently discussing on another Forum how a vehicle is described in the V5. I know it is not acceptable to use the original donor vehicle name, eg; Ford Escort and add something such as Sports but would it be acceptable to name a vehicle as, say, a Ford Seven if it is prodominatly Ford based? Would that prompt questions that Ford never made a Seven? Would the MOT man be able to question the name when presented for test if DVLA accepted it?
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gremlin1234

posted on 16/1/19 at 12:27 AM Reply With Quote
short answer
if it had the v5 description changed, and it looks close enough, then thats ok, but if it says dutton, when it really isn't ...
but its up to the mot tester.

note in a recent 'blog' from dvla mot testers are being reminded to check vehicle details
https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/mot-services-were-working-on-9-january-2019/




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Registering vehicles correctly In previous blog posts we’ve mentioned that we’re looking to try and reduce the number of vehicles registered incorrectly during MOT. This means the result will be registered against the wrong vehicle, which is a problem. While it might seem like a small thing, it defeats the object of all the hard work we do when results are entered for the wrong vehicle! It also means we spend a lot of time sorting it out, rather than doing useful things to improve the service.
Changing vehicle registration screens In the next few months, we’ll be making some changes to the vehicle registration screens so the vehicle make, model and colour will be even clearer to help testers get the right match. We’re also getting nearer to allowing plug-in to the vehicle diagnostic port. This will mean we’ll be able to get the vehicle VIN directly. In the meantime, it would be great if you could all be extra vigilant when registering vehicles for test. Our research has also shown you need to take the vehicle registration mark and vehicle identification number from the vehicle. You should not get them from a job card or online look-up service. This will make sure the MOT result is recorded against the right vehicle. Everyone makes mistakes but recording the information in this way will avoid the vast majority of these problems.


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owelly

posted on 17/1/19 at 09:26 PM Reply With Quote
The V5 must accurately describe the vehicle. To keep the donors ID, the complete and unmodified chassis/monocoque must be used.
The problems arise when folks have a kit car with the V5 title as FORD SPORTS, or FORD CONVERTIBLE. If the vehicle didn't leave the Ford factory, then the V5 does not accurately describe the vehicle, and is wrong.
Furthermore: If the V5 was to say FORD SE7EN, FORD SPECIAL, or FORD VORTEX, etc.. then that's also wrong. It was easy to fill in a few lines on a V5 to get the body style changed, and the V5 would be returned with whatever was written on the form, but this is also wrong.
For those who want to argue that their cars are legal "because I asked DVLA and they said so", or "I've had it inspected and it wasn't a problem", then show the paperwork, because it's wrong.
Having said all that, I popped into my local DVLA office a few years ago (before it closed down) and got the counter-bod to change the title on a V5 for me. She had no idea what she was doing and I would have gotten away with it if only she had entered the correct VRM!! When I went back to get that amended, a different member of staff noticed the change and withdrew the V5....





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scimjim

posted on 20/1/19 at 10:39 AM Reply With Quote
That’s true of locost type builds - but rebody type kit cars (original separate chassis) will retain the original manufacturers name in the title.
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ken555

posted on 21/1/19 at 09:39 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
quote:

We’re also getting nearer to allowing plug-in to the vehicle diagnostic port. This will mean we’ll be able to get the vehicle VIN directly.




Good luck with that on my obd0 ecu.

But I thought that they weren't allowed to remove covers to access anything. So how are they going to access the port required ?

More automation to make odd/older cars more difficult to test, every year my tester has problems trying to do an emissions test on visual smoke only as the system wants a tailpipe emissions test done, that it fails.






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40inches

posted on 21/1/19 at 09:54 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ken555
quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
quote:

We’re also getting nearer to allowing plug-in to the vehicle diagnostic port. This will mean we’ll be able to get the vehicle VIN directly.




Good luck with that on my obd0 ecu.

But I thought that they weren't allowed to remove covers to access anything. So how are they going to access the port required ?

More automation to make odd/older cars more difficult to test, every year my tester has problems trying to do an emissions test on visual smoke only as the system wants a tailpipe emissions test done, that it fails.


My tester never tests for emissions. Smoke only.
He says that the emissions test equipment isn't connected to the test, it doesn't need to be turned on, either a PASS or FAIL is entered into the system.

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Mr Whippy

posted on 21/1/19 at 12:09 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by ken555
quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
quote:

We’re also getting nearer to allowing plug-in to the vehicle diagnostic port. This will mean we’ll be able to get the vehicle VIN directly.




But I thought that they weren't allowed to remove covers to access anything. So how are they going to access the port required ?




I don't think lifting the small cover for a OBD2 port really counts.... or sorry mate I can't test the car as the bonnet is shut...

I'm surprised they have not already made a systems check using the port a part of the test, seems a very obvious thing to do

[Edited on 21/1/19 by Mr Whippy]

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ken555

posted on 21/1/19 at 02:58 PM Reply With Quote
I can see the claims already.

Your computer has broken my ecu.

Wasn't that the reason the the diesel smoke test was changed as cars were being damaged during testing ?






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gremlin1234

posted on 21/1/19 at 07:19 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ken555
Good luck with that on my obd0 ecu.

I think the term
OBD -neg
should work

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ken555

posted on 21/1/19 at 08:35 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
I think the term
OBD -neg
should work


Honda seems to think that a flashing L.E.D. is enough to qualify as version 0.






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