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Toprivetguns - 4/8/11 at 08:08 AM

Took my MK Indy ZX10R yesterday to have a full exhaust system built from scratch. Must say I was very impressed from the moment I spoke to everyone there. They ran me through all my header options (4-1 & 4-2-1) etc. What sort of back box id like and overall finish when completed. If anyone is thinking of having a full system made, Id definitely recommend these guys.

Ill post some pictures once its done. Looking forward to the end result !

franky - 4/8/11 at 08:17 AM

Looking forward to the pics. They make great exhausts.

Toprivetguns - 19/9/11 at 06:40 PM

Finally collected my car today and WOW ! What can I say. Thoroughly impressed with the end result.

Mike and his team done a fantastic job with the exhaust. Definetly recommend Tube Engineers to anyone who is looking for a High Quality system for there BEC or CEC.

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Fatgadget - 19/9/11 at 06:50 PM

Looks eexpeensive!...How much?

Toprivetguns - 19/9/11 at 06:51 PM

Lets just say im eating cornflakes and beans for the next month

franky - 19/9/11 at 07:00 PM

Looks like a nice system.

I'd put money on it being a shed load cheaper than anywhere else.

Toprivetguns - 19/9/11 at 07:07 PM

All thanks to you chap! Fantastic workmanship and value for money

rodgling - 20/9/11 at 01:09 PM

They made mine too, very pleased with it.

Neville Jones - 20/9/11 at 03:51 PM

We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!

How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?

It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.

There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!

Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.

Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.

Cheers,
Nev.

Irony - 20/9/11 at 04:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!

How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?

It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.

There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!

Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.

Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.

Cheers,
Nev.

I am thinking of getting my exhaust done by these people. They have had very good reviews on here. Please could you explain your comments and suggest a better option with reasoning.

MikeFellows - 20/9/11 at 04:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!

How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?

It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.

There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!

Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.

Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.

Cheers,
Nev.

they look pretty much equal length to me

Toprivetguns - 20/9/11 at 05:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!

How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?

It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.

There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!

Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.

Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.

Cheers,
Nev.

Hello Neville,

Your entitled to your opinion and thats fine. However please don't offend some other persons hard work. For your interest the header lengths are perfect matched and for your information I asked for that specific style. Ok I may lose a few HP however that can be gained elsewhere. Ive seen similar styles on other BECs and no reported problems.

The people behind this are extremely skilled and have a fantastic enthusiasm for what they do. please think about your comments in future

franky - 20/9/11 at 05:26 PM

If they're equal length and packaged how you want then you'll not loose anything at all HP wise..

[Edited on 20/9/11 by franky]

david duncan - 20/9/11 at 06:03 PM

HOW MUCH?

phelpsa - 20/9/11 at 07:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
We all like to pat each other on the back and say, how great is that!

How many of you looking at this, are thinking that those tubes on cylinders 3 & 4 are just plain wrong?

It looks like an apprentice with a hangover just fitted the things in as best he could, with no proper thought whatsoever.

There are many ways of getting the pipes in and all the same length, and that is not one of them!

Sorry for any offence, but I'd be throwing that manifold back in the face who built it.

Oh yes, it looks pretty, but must be costing HP.

Cheers,
Nev.

Go on then nev, how would you do it? Out of interest...

dinosaurjuice - 20/9/11 at 08:06 PM

4"+ of straight pipe out the head, all equal length, smooth joins. thats about as good as you'll get without altering chassis to suit. looks damn fine too

Toprivetguns - 20/9/11 at 08:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by franky
If they're equal length and packaged how you want then you'll not loose anything at all HP wise..

[Edited on 20/9/11 by franky]

They are Franky, exactly to my requirements. I even double checked it tonight and guess what. Perfect !

franky - 20/9/11 at 08:35 PM

It should work very well. Also it'll look better once they've had some heat through them

Norton91 - 20/9/11 at 09:38 PM

Now ever they look at least you have them. I've been waiting 8 weeks for a set of header for my hayabusa fury through Fury cars from these people. All we have had is broken promises or in old fashion language, lies, lies and more lies. Any way now getting them made locally - delivery in 10 days.

Neville Jones - 21/9/11 at 10:10 AM

OK, it's not my place to show 'experts' how they should be doing their work.

If you lot think that manifold is fantastic, go give the makers your money.

But, have a look at a few racecar exhausts before you decide that pipes bent like that are what most are using.

Just because it's pretty, doesn't mean it's right.

Cheers,
Nev.

Mr.Phelps, you're an eng student (?I think, first year?), go find a text on gas flow and fluid dynamics, then YOU come and tell us why that exhaust is not 'optimum'. Just make sure you do the homework well.

I just spotted the chassis.......no, I won't comment.

Enthusiasm and aesthetics doesn't mean good design!

[Edited on 21/9/11 by Neville Jones]

blakep82 - 21/9/11 at 10:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
OK, it's not my place to show 'experts' how they should be doing their work.

lol

you've still not said how you would have done it. diagrams or photos would be good. I'm thinking of getting mine redone after my car's on the road.

Irony - 21/9/11 at 11:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
OK, it's not my place to show 'experts' how they should be doing their work.

If you lot think that manifold is fantastic, go give the makers your money.

But, have a look at a few racecar exhausts before you decide that pipes bent like that are what most are using.

Just because it's pretty, doesn't mean it's right.

Cheers,
Nev.

Mr.Phelps, you're an eng student (?I think, first year?), go find a text on gas flow and fluid dynamics, then YOU come and tell us why that exhaust is not 'optimum'. Just make sure you do the homework well.

I just spotted the chassis.......no, I won't comment.

Enthusiasm and aesthetics doesn't mean good design!

[Edited on 21/9/11 by Neville Jones]

It's all very well slamming the guys exhaust after he's just gone and bought it. But at least enlighten us why you think so. Hopefully with diagrams and mathematical proof. What would you have done???????

[Edited on 21/9/11 by Irony]

Alfa145 - 21/9/11 at 11:35 AM

Criticism is easy, constructive criticism take some brains and as he hasn't been forthcoming with an explanation I assume he just likes slamming others work for no reason.

I can see why it might lose a few hp though the big kinks but compared to the standard aerodynamics of the 7 I don't think it would make the slightest bit of noticeable difference for a road/track toy.

Litemoth - 21/9/11 at 12:05 PM

This is how Tony Law tackles this sort of thing....

Toprivetguns - 21/9/11 at 04:59 PM

Case closed

indykid - 21/9/11 at 05:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
Enthusiasm and aesthetics doesn't mean good design!

Equally, you can have all the knowledge in the world and you'll still get ignored when you come across as a cock.

If we were all after design perfection, we wouldn't be reusing parts from other cars and bikes, or building them into 7 style bodies.....

The losses will be far less significant than you seem to be making out.

I'm sure the OP will be perfectly happy.

phelpsa - 21/9/11 at 05:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
OK, it's not my place to show 'experts' how they should be doing their work.

If you lot think that manifold is fantastic, go give the makers your money.

But, have a look at a few racecar exhausts before you decide that pipes bent like that are what most are using.

Just because it's pretty, doesn't mean it's right.

Cheers,
Nev.

Mr.Phelps, you're an eng student (?I think, first year?), go find a text on gas flow and fluid dynamics, then YOU come and tell us why that exhaust is not 'optimum'. Just make sure you do the homework well.

I just spotted the chassis.......no, I won't comment.

Enthusiasm and aesthetics doesn't mean good design!

[Edited on 21/9/11 by Neville Jones]

Nev, you've got me wrong on two levels.

1) I know what I think of the exhaust and have made my own opinions. I however haven't blurted out nutsack because I can't back it up with any proof or evidence. I don't know what the reasons are for that design being utilised but there are many more important factors than perfect flow.

2) I am an Mech Eng student but certainly not in my 1st year and currently gaining experience much higher up in the industry than you have reached (probably due to your attitude).

coyoteboy - 21/9/11 at 06:26 PM

My only concern woudl be the use of stainless and it having (apparently) zero intermediate support between the tips - with heat that stainless gets brittle and with poor support you may find it cracks. But it's easy enough to lob in a support.

Flow-wise, I don't like the fairly sharp radius kink in 3 and the primaries look a bit long (but that could be right for the desired effect, I don't know) but I can't see anything in it that might drop more than a % or two by guestimation. Willing to be proved wrong though.

Toprivetguns - 21/9/11 at 06:45 PM

With the exception of one person in particular I appreciate everyone's input. I joined this site to help others and seek advice from like minded enthusiasts.

If anything, positive criticism is appreciate as it can only add value to my car !

Its a shame the 1% always ruin it for the other 99%.

Litemoth - 21/9/11 at 09:55 PM

�The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him�

Neville Jones - 22/9/11 at 10:49 AM

Nothing like a bit of debate, is there?

I didn't question the workmanship, as I said, it's very pretty.

The design is questionable.

From first appearances, it appears that the makers either don't have a bigger radius die for that size tube, or couldn't be bothered changing the dies.

The manifold would look a lot better, and function much better, if larger radius bends were used, and a little more thought actually put into the tube runs.

If anyone is considering using the manufacturers of that manifold to make one for them selves, then ask what centreline radius the die is that they intend to use for the bending. If it is not more than 3~4 times the tube diameter, then ask them to invest in the suitable sized tooling, before doing your job.

That's all it needs.

I'll say no more.

Just because it looks pretty, doesn't mean it's right.

Cheers,
Nev.

franky - 22/9/11 at 11:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Neville Jones
Nothing like a bit of debate, is there?

I didn't question the workmanship, as I said, it's very pretty.

The design is questionable.

From first appearances, it appears that the makers either don't have a bigger radius die for that size tube, or couldn't be bothered changing the dies.

The manifold would look a lot better, and function much better, if larger radius bends were used, and a little more thought actually put into the tube runs.

If anyone is considering using the manufacturers of that manifold to make one for them selves, then ask what centreline radius the die is that they intend to use for the bending. If it is not more than 3~4 times the tube diameter, then ask them to invest in the suitable sized tooling, before doing your job.

That's all it needs.

I'll say no more.

Just because it looks pretty, doesn't mean it's right.

Cheers,
Nev.

They are 'Tube engineers' and have all the equipment anyone in that sector could ever need/use. For you're cash you wont find better. Obviously the design might hamper an F1 car slightly but I don't know of any builders doing one at the moment.

Nick DV - 22/9/11 at 02:29 PM

quote:

Equally, you can have all the knowledge in the world and you'll still get ignored when you come across as a cock.

I would never normally reply to this sort of post as I am not clever enough to give my opinion, and I am not in the habit of purposely offending anyone, but that's a bit harsh!!!

Remember, this is an open forum and EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions, views or advice! It's your choice if you choose to take it or not.

Some choose to post theirs, whilst others don't have the knowledge or balls to do so! Some will do so by being all 'nicey, nicey' so not to offend anyone, whilst others will give honest, straight to the point answers , as is the case with Nev's replies. You must read and take in what is written, not see just what you want to see - always keep an open mind.

TBH, I wish that Nev had given me advice when I had my exhaust system made, then I may have got a better system than I have. Personally, I would never question anyone's abilities or knowledge until I either knew them or saw their credentials. In Neville's case, I WOULD BE the biggest cock in the world to question him when it comes to anything to do with car design/engineering - Locost or race car!

Cheers, Nick

[Edited on 22/9/11 by Nick DV]