pif
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 11:52 AM |
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prop off at 50mph..now with pics
looks like another summer lost as out taking my boy for a 10 minute reward spin round the block and doing 50ish changed down a gear and
bang....rumble....bang....clatter....clatter...lost engine power and electrics and steam and locked rear wheels..... now stuck in middle of
road....
A quick bonnet off reveals prop adapter has come off final engine final drive and the loose prop and adapter have reigned chaos in the engine bay.
1. ripped off brake master cylinder.
2. loosened ( yet to investigate properly ) clutch master cylinder
3. bent and twisted crank case over output shaft
4. battered the gear change mech down tunnel and on gear shaft on the block.
5. got a grip of the loom at some point and whipped it round the prop like spaghetti and all wound round the prop down the tunnel and pulled all the
electrics from dash, clocks, front lights-horn-rad etc, engine bay and totally disconnected everything and in the process loom has tightened round to
cooling pipes and pulled them off too. hence steam. loom is so tight round the prop it is that which had locked the back wheels
I had to remove tunnel top and handbrake and gear lever in middle of road to get to the VERY TIGHT rear bolts on the prop to get them undone so
it would at least roll.
Bit of a mess, gutted really as didn't do the electrics on the original build had some one else do them who is too busy now to commit the time so
am starting again from scratch to try and learn this and fasten it all together again.
Fellow LCB's please standby for lots of questions.
some pics of original damage below
to add insult to injury my recovery wouldnt tow me home as i dont have homestart and although i was 1.3 miles from home by road i was only 0.8 as the
crow flies so therefore not covered. Something to watch out for in the future. So towing it home was a pig of a job too.
Did manage to get 2 looms one for a carb bird and one for injection bird for £30 though to cut up and use for bits as most of my plugs and relays etc
are destroyed.
first 2 questions are. In this picture below is this the spped sensor on the top of gearbox as the plug to go on here has gone from mine ad is not on
the 2 looms i bought, any ideas where to get one from??
and secondly, This is the water temp sendor i assume, does it normally have only one wire. And again where can i get one from??
Oh one last thing, the wires for the alternator have come out from right inside the cover. Do I have to drain the oil to open this and will i be able
to connect them once i open it????
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speed sensor???
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coolant sensor???
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tangled mess 1
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tangled mess 2
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[Edited on 14/8/09 by pif]
[Edited on 14/8/09 by pif]
been a bit of a rush job really, bodged it all together in just 5 1/2 years.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 11:56 AM |
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oh fook  what a disaster
pics arn't working but scared to look
certainly make me think twice about putting brake pipes and wiring down the tunnel
[Edited on 14/8/09 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 11:56 AM |
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You were lucky i think. There was a post a couple of years back where the prop had made it into the passenger area.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 11:57 AM |
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That's terrible luck.
[Edited on 14/8/09 by David Jenkins]
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omega0684
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 11:57 AM |
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mad4x4
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 11:59 AM |
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What crap luck - Thankfully no one was injured.
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 12:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pif
speed sensor???
coolant sensor???
tangled mess 1
tangled mess 2
Craig
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Guinness
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 12:14 PM |
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Oh man that is bad luck.
Mike
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TimC
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 12:15 PM |
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Tim Hoverd's racecar was burnt to a very bad state by something similar. It could have been a lot worse!
Good luck. If the 'Bird is a carbie, it looks easy.
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minitici
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 12:18 PM |
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I was working on a Locoblade recently and noticed that it had a propshaft catcher (big 'U' bolt) around the front propshaft where it
exited the tunnel.
Definitely a good idea in light of your recent experience with a flailing propshaft in the engine bay.
Hope you get everything fixed soon.
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BenB
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 12:29 PM |
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For a minute I thought it was going to be photos with claret everywhere.
As bad luck as that was it could have been SO much worse
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adithorp
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 12:32 PM |
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That's a pisser!
Could have been worse; There was a race Fury that did the same thing on a test day last year but split a fuel pipe and went up in smoke!
Give me a call if you need a hand. Not familiar with the Blackbird though.
adrian
PS. Pictures not working here either.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 01:03 PM |
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I don't know about it being bad luck, I actually think you were both very lucky. It really could have been so much worse and you should count
your blessings. There will be loads of help/advice about the car forthcoming on here but I don't think we would have been too great at helping
to reattach lower limbs!
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 01:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjsYou were lucky i think. There was a post a couple of years back where the prop had made it into the
passenger area.
And JohneTurbo's car burnt to the ground in minutes when the prop shaft came loose and severed the fuel pipes.
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow © 
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 01:26 PM |
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Makes me think about fitting a prop catcher, but Mines a CEC, I think on a BEC it's even more important due to the two-part prop...
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pif
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 01:32 PM |
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thanks guys, believe it or not making me feel a bit better actually. I do remember a prop coming through into someones passenger footwell a few years
ago and when i put my floor on i brought it forward to the leading edge of the bulkheads to keep the prop off the road if it ever came of. the prop
catcher sounds like a good mod for this rebuild.
Forgot to mention that over the winter i stripped a lot of the car down to check it over as it had been 2 years since SVA and wanted to ensure
everything was tight. Didnt do the bolt in the middle of the prop adapter as ......... i think i must of forgot it was there. Take heed. out of sight
out of mind...
thanks for thoughts so far.
been a bit of a rush job really, bodged it all together in just 5 1/2 years.
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Mike S
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 02:01 PM |
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Going back to your original questions.
I am looking for a Blackbird speed sensor myself at the moment so will let you know if/when I find them.
Second question.
Yes, only one wire. I will have a look this evening to see if I have a spare connector for this for you.
Third question.
Yes you do need to drain the oil to open the alternator cover. You can get away without draining if you tilt the car up away from the alternator
end.
The bike boys lay the bike over, but it would need to be mighty high at the front to achive this on a seven style car.
With all the other stuff you need to do, draining the oil seems the simplest way forward to me.
The magnets on the rotor make pulling the casing off a little difficult (mind your fingers particularly when re-fitting)
If the wires have been ripped out of the alternator, chances are they have been pulled out close to the windings so may be very difficult to
repair.
The stator and windings are all contained in the cover part so I would look at getting a replacement unit from the Bay of e, or someone like Cheshire
Motorcycle Salvage who I have used in the past for bits like this.
Don't forget to get a new gasket (about £8)
The best of luck with your repairs and hope you are back on the road soon.
Mike
[Edited on 14/8/09 by Mike S]
There are more horses' asses in this world than there are horses
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Canada EH!
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 02:20 PM |
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This won't help you now and I am sorry to see the mess, but it has been standard practice in Drag Racing for years to put a hoop around the prop
shaft so when it breaks it is contained.
I have one in my tunnel, car engine.
On a bike engined Locost I would have one below the scuttle and one in the tunnel.
The hoop is usually made of 1" X 1/8" flat stock with brakets going to the chassis, some are split so they can be placed over the
propshaft then bolted to retain their oval shape.
I had the front universal break years ago and the propshaft found a pot hole and lifted the hole back end of a full size American Ford three feet off
the ground.
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nstrug
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 02:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Canada EH!
This won't help you now and I am sorry to see the mess, but it has been standard practice in Drag Racing for years to put a hoop around the prop
shaft so when it breaks it is contained.
I have one in my tunnel, car engine.
On a bike engined Locost I would have one below the scuttle and one in the tunnel.
The hoop is usually made of 1" X 1/8" flat stock with brakets going to the chassis, some are split so they can be placed over the
propshaft then bolted to retain their oval shape.
I had the front universal break years ago and the propshaft found a pot hole and lifted the hole back end of a full size American Ford three feet off
the ground.
Dax Rush MC has exactly this - one hoop immediately behind the engine, and one further back just before the reverse box (or centre bearing if you
don't have a reverse box)
Nick
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 04:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sucksqueezebangblow
quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjsYou were lucky i think. There was a post a couple of years back where the prop had made it into the
passenger area.
And JohneTurbo's car burnt to the ground in minutes when the prop shaft came loose and severed the fuel pipes.
Mine snapped across the universal joint at the sprocket adaptor.
thankfuly only the car suffered, and not me or lisa.
and that was a brand new dunning and fairbank prop.
[Edited on 14/8/09 by Johneturbo]
 
Rescued attachment broken prop.jpg
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Johneturbo
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 04:22 PM |
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Rescued attachment broken prop pic 2.jpg
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*davies144*
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 05:34 PM |
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sorry to hear that mate! feels sh*t when all your hard work goes wrong, best of luck rebuilding mate hope things go smoothly!
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mackei23b
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 07:22 PM |
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Sorry to hear that. I remember a story of a Mallock that threw the prop into the drivers thigh and smashed his femour.
Bad luck, but good in a way!
Cheers
Ian
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mackei23b
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 07:22 PM |
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Sorry to hear that. I remember a story of a Mallock that threw the prop into the drivers thigh and smashed his femour.
Bad luck, but good in a way!
Cheers
Ian
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Mr G
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| posted on 14/8/09 at 08:44 PM |
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Billys went at high speed and luckily did'nt pole vault the car in the air
THREAD LINKY
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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