I wonder what modern cars on the road now will we see in car shows 20, 30 years from now? Ok they'll be the super exotic things like Ferrari's etc

But what of the everyday ones we all tend to drive, will they just vanish without a trace? perhaps their electronic complexity will kill them off or the sealed nature of components will prevent them being repaired. I think folk will give up on them much more likely than say a cortina etc (a car I was told as a teen would never be a classic wish I'd kept mine)

A tip if you are trying to keep one - get spare glass, really expensive if not impossible to get replacements made. Buy it when it's cheap and available. I have several full sets in the loft just in case and already had to use a windscreen thanks to a stone

[Edited on 28/9/13 by Mr Whippy]

In a way if its old enough it will become a classic, as there's two sorts of classics IMO. Those true stand out cars, lotus cortina, audi quattro, capri etc, that are classics because of what the achieved, or because of a cult following. Then there's just old cars that have become rare and aren't quite old enough to be vintage, but are most definitely collectable and valuable.

Mk 1 and 2 escorts, as some bastards have been cutting them up for donor parts , for as silly kit car

Mk1 lotus elise
Mk1 golf R32
Mk1 clio V6
Mk1 BMini cooper S
BMW E46 M3 CSL

Clio v6 is mk2

I was having this exact conversation a few weeks ago with my brother.

It may be that in the future electronics will become cheaper to copy, or enthusiast will common use certain modules to keep them going but I can see electronics and complex trim and mechanicals being a real problem.

I think anything ///M will be a future classic as parts shared with normal platform, mx5 will be the next MGB,

As Loggyboy says, when it's old enough it will be referred to as a classic whether they were any good or not and often simply
because someone used to have a certain vehicle it will appeal to them years later.
When they get old and rare enough then even a Mondeo or a Vectra will be lovingly restored by someone.

IMHO the modern(ish) cars that I regard as worthy are

E30 BMW, Mk 4 Astra Sport, MR2. Probably as I have one of each at some point and have fond memories.

1990 Vauxhall Calibra and Peugeot 407 Coupe.

I saw an AX the other day for the first time in ageswhich left me thinking the same.

Regular cars get a special.status because people have fond memories, i mean how many of us remember being inan enzo? But almost everyone has been in a mondeo.

Fast blue oval stuff will get there eventually, cossie escorts and so on are shooting up in value now.
In general it is stuff that was pretty available but with sporting aspirations, no just striped seats, but gets rare. That sort of discounts the mx5, but that does a neat trick of having a huge following. M3csl is already there methinks....

Z3M Coupe
VW Corrado VR6
Lotus 340R

volvo 240
volvo 740
volvo 940

z3m coupe.

MX5

The MX5 has a weird position as arguably it is a classic in the true sense, and has been since it was first available, as well as being a mass market(ish) car.

for something a bit different I reckon the Citroen C6, the pheaton and simillar cars with high luxury but mundane badges will be sought after.

Another line of thought, unmodified versions of Barry favourites like Imprezzas, Evo's, right down to Saxo's.

I was having this discussion at work and one of the technical trainers came up with a very good point.

The classic cars of today are easy (to a degree) to work on a maintain due to the lack of the specialist equipment needed to maintain and run these types of vehicles.

But if we look at new cars of 2013 being classics in the future this becomes difficult as the amount of specialist equipment needed to programme the vehicles ETC

We damage a diff and need to swop it for another one job done. You do that on a modern car you need to programme it etc. and the cost becomes so expensive as well for the parts.

So question is will it be obtainable to run a car produced now in the future due to the cost of parts and labour vs the cost of the car.

Anyway s2000 and like to think gt86 would be there.

Fiat Multipla, the odd looking one. That's got a cult following already

i thinks the Vauxhall vx220 will also be one

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Audi A2. Especially the 3l model.

Always makes me smile when I drive mine.

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Smart Roadster coupe. Because I have one

MK1 Ford Ka and the Racing Puma can still be got cheap and I think will shoot up in price.

Cars that are famous for rotting easily are good ones to hold onto if you get a nice one. Who would have thought cars as plentiful as MK1 and MK2 Escorts could be fetching the kind of prices they are now.

Standard run of the mill cars that were peoples first cars and now they are fat and middle aged want one again and have some money behind them to get a nice one and inflate the prices.

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I think he fact that morn cars last so long and are generally very reliable will restrict the amount that go on to be considered classics.

You just have to look at old MG's, where an old shitter is worth vey little, so a good one commands a price and is sought after - there won't be many modern cars that reach such a ad state as to add value and appeal to a good example.

But, something like a Vauxhall Monaro might make it as a classic because there's not so many around. I can see a mx5 becoming the MGB of out time and mk1 Elise will always be a bit special for me.

Throw myself back 30 years and a DB6 was for sale at felbridge garage, east Grinstead for £2,500 for months, I purchased a 2 year old cortina instead

So for the price of a second hand mondeo you can get a DB7 these days...... Early i6 ones are mostly series jaguar running gear so that's parts sorted but still £16,000 + for a good one and you can get manual boxes

I ran a V12 XJS 10 years ago for £650, one in the same condition would be a couple of thousand now, more complex would be an early XK8/XKR money, a decent drop head one if these has to rise in value i would think, these are around £4000.

Classic range rovers also are on the way up, you hardly see any 2 door ones these days, very easy to work on and fix cheaply.

Cheers Mark

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??????????? I don't remember a 3.0 A2!

Stuff that is really cheap now but will be worth shed loads in 15 years time - Alfa Romeo Spider FWD, Fiat Coupe 5cyl, top end SAAB's

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Citroen Xantias are dirt cheap now and a proper Citroen. They'll all be gone in a couple of years and prices will shoot up.

I think the jag XJS would be a good one especially a v12, notoriously rust prone and no one wants a huge engine like that but could go the same way as the E type worth buying a clean one and putting it away

Wish I'd bought a few SD1's when no one wanted them too

[Edited on 30/9/13 by Mr Whippy]

Ford Racing Puma

Rover 75 actually quite a few from that dead brand will inherit nostalgic status

Dacia Sandero lol

I wish I'd kept both my mk1 fiesta (1.1L) and my S1 106 (1.0 XN forte)


I recon the S1 106 rallye values are on the rise already (really must get one soon )

BMW 135i M, given the following they have on pistonheads!

I wouldnt be surprised if 70's and 80's Vauxhall stuff starts going up soon. Firenzas especially the rare droop snoots are already collectable and the Monza/ Senator Coupe have their followings but i can even see run of the mill Chevettes, Mark 1 (rwd) Cavaliers and Mantas becoming collectable. Easy to fix and easy to make faster.

Nissans, especially camouflaged ones,

Rear engined Skodas! when did you last see one?

I think just about every vehicle I've owned will or already has become `classic' - first car was a 2 door Mk1 escort , followed by a Mk2 transit (very early one , left the factory with Mk1 running gear....) , Talbot express van , Renault 5 , and Alfa 164 (only a handful of those still on the road....)
Early Mx5's are already going up in price - mine cost me £50 2 1/2 years ago , a good one now can go for £1500

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The original post said "modern cars"
Now to me that does not include the French shite ie 205 206 clio etc etc
nor does it include saxo or Volvo tanks, or bmw/audio /merc rep cars , that includes them all !!

Modern cars don't seem to have a soul

And that is the problem

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noy my cup o tea but i saw a realy nice condition reno fuego on way home from my holys today, cant remember last time i saw one

Renault fuego... My god I don't think I've thought about one of them since the mid 80s. Nice and slightly odd looking car.

My classics predictions...

Audi a2
Citroen c6
Honda HRV
Isuzu vehicross
Ford Puma
Smart coupes are few in number, fairly rust proof, and well looked after, so I think they might become highly collectible.

I also think the more powerful MG ZT's and estate versions will make classic status.

Going back a bit I agree with an earlier post that Vauxhall Calibres are on the verge of leaving the valley of unlovability and will become saught after. I love Monza's too. I've considered buying a couple on different occassions over the last six months.

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Citroen bx gti

Alfa gt (modern one,as in the little coupe of 5 years ago).

Jaguar XJR and BMW 750il......definitely!!





Anyone want to buy a Jaguar XJR or a BMW 750il? :-)

Hahahahah

As said earlier, Mantas, Kadetts, Chevettes. If they had Ford badges, everyone would be after them!
I just sold a 15 year old Manta clutch on ebay, got £330 for it!! So they're getting harder to come by...
Kicking myself every day for getting rid of the Kadett in my avatar...was an SR, only 200 imported into the UK, rarer than the GT/Es

I spent most of my life thinking the Ford badge was superior to the Vauxhall badge. These days, when I play my favourite internet game of 'What would you buy for under £2500 on car and classic"I find that 60s, 70's and early 80's Vauxhall/Opel stimulates my want gland far more than old Ford stuff does.

Old Ford stuff feels very commonplace. Vauxhall stuff has more rarity value and more understated design. I've become a dedicated Vauxhall fan over the last five years or so. In terms of the afformentioned game, I really want to buy this auld beasty...

eBay Item

The right wheels, fat rubber, lowered, rusty holes attended to, charcoal grey primer, keep it shabby and mean looking... lovely.

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Peugeot 306?


I feel my slightly pink in the roof E36 compact is already getting there....



Daniel

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I had a 75 tourer for about 4 years, it was one of my fav cars of all time,and had it of been a diesel, I would still have it now
downside on them, is they are a heavy car, and mine did eat tyres, plus mine was an 1.8 k series, and ate two headgaskets

but apart from that, never cost me a penny

Steve

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205 was the last classic

That assumes that all classic cars were great cars. Many weren't. But in hindsight they evoke the character of a bygone era. Regardless of what any of us think about modern cars... And I for one personally hate them... The world will be so radically different 50 years from now that a Nissan almera tino , or a Vauxhall Meriva could seem like the embodiment of an older and more elegant time.

Has anyone said the Audi A2 yet?
I'd buy a 1.6 FSI and put that into storage for the future.