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The Great British Anit-Free Rip off (halfords)
02GF74 - 26/11/16 at 01:13 PM

Went to Halfords to buy anti-freeze. 17 for 5 litres ready mixed at 50/50 concentration.

So I am paying for water that I can get out my tap for free!!? F*** right off.

...and what if I want a 60/40 mix? Can't do it without removing the water. Is it because people have become so stupid that they can not work out the correct concentration or money for old rope (water in this case).

Yours sincerely,
Mr Angry.


Toprivetguns - 26/11/16 at 02:15 PM

Get yourself a halfords trade card and save some serious money.


balidey - 26/11/16 at 02:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Toprivetguns
Get yourself a halfords trade card and save some serious money.

Agreed, but it is not that easy to obtain for someone that is a hobby / DIY mechanic. You need to provide proof you work in the trade.

Halfords do sell neat anti freeze and screenwash, but the majority of what they stock and push on to punters is premixed. But the main people that go through their doors are the sort of people that probably do want it pre-mxed and don't know or don't car about the savings.


steve m - 26/11/16 at 03:16 PM

Don't buy anything in halfrauds, get it from a motor factors at 1/3 off the price

steve


motorcycle_mayhem - 26/11/16 at 03:49 PM

Question is... what else would I expect from Halfrauds, which is why I don't darken their doorway.

Same thing for B and Q, which appears to be the haunt favoured by the post-industrial majority.

Both establishments simply cater for those with excess funds and little idea of how to use their hands.


mini-sprite - 26/11/16 at 03:49 PM

Why not buy straight antifreeze and dilute it yourself?


Paul


rusty nuts - 26/11/16 at 03:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mini-sprite
Why not buy straight antifreeze and dilute it yourself?


Paul



I rather suspect that's what the OP was implying he would do


CosKev3 - 26/11/16 at 04:12 PM

The premixed stuff is for topping up surely?


David Jenkins - 26/11/16 at 04:30 PM

I'm confused - are we talking engine antifreeze, or screenwash/antifreeze?

Just that I'm also finding it hard to find screenwash concentrate - I usually buy a 5 litre container of concentrate, but all I can find these days is ready-mix - which costs exactly the same for the same quantity. Expensive water!


rusty nuts - 26/11/16 at 04:47 PM

Try your local motor factors David


britishtrident - 26/11/16 at 05:04 PM

Pre-mix has some justification if you live in a hard water area but in general it is a contrick of the first order.


britishtrident - 26/11/16 at 05:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I'm confused - are we talking engine antifreeze, or screenwash/antifreeze?

Just that I'm also finding it hard to find screenwash concentrate - I usually buy a 5 litre container of concentrate, but all I can find these days is ready-mix - which costs exactly the same for the same quantity. Expensive water!



Methylated spirits is the best additive for stopping the washers freezing.


shindha - 26/11/16 at 05:09 PM

I had some of thier concentrate screenwash if that's what your after it smells lovely;
ScreenWash
They do sell concentrated Antifreeze here but I would'nt be rushing to buy any from them.

[Edited on 26/11/16 by shindha]


David Jenkins - 26/11/16 at 05:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Try your local motor factors David


I know - but a few around Ipswich have stopped selling concentrate. One got shirty when I walked in, looked at what was on offer and made to walk straight out again - he asked if had difficulty finding what I wanted, and wasn't best pleased when I said that I had no interest in buying ready-mixed fluid.


02GF74 - 26/11/16 at 06:23 PM

engine anti-freeze.... and I've just noticed i'd written Anit which may have confused some.


morcus - 26/11/16 at 06:27 PM

for screen wash have a look in the supermarket, don't know about engine anti-freeze as I get it from a mate who has big barrels of it.

I think most people (as in non-car enthusiast which must be the vast majority of people in Halfords) want premix, TBH I don't have any equipment to accurate measure fluid volume (I know you don't need accurate stuff to do half and half) and if its something you really don't like doing you want to make the job as quick as possible and will pay a bit extra to do it. Premix is also likely to be more consistent in the hands of Joe Bloggs.

Premix is also handy if you have to do it right away on the forecourt.


owelly - 26/11/16 at 08:21 PM

Halfords do sell concentrated antifreeze/coolant.


Halfords OAT Antifreeze Concentrate 5 Litres

Item: 798785

Halfords OAT Antifreeze Concentrate 5 Litres

Trade price

18.74 inc.vat

15.62 ex.vat


gremlin1234 - 26/11/16 at 08:37 PM

engine antifreeze is a complex subject, and often different manufacturers require different products, and mixing them may result in gunge / jelly
mixing oat with ethylene glycol for example: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/cooling/cool_121.htm
and in many ways its as important as the oil used!

for screenwash, I use carpride/151 from the corner shop at 1.25/l at about 25-30% summer, and 50-90% winter, (but then again the car [tintop] is parked under a tree so has to have a bit better than normal to clean the screen)
ps the hazardous substance data shows circa 20% methanol, and some ethanol, so shouldn't need 'meths' added
http://www.jbsgroup.ie/msds/JA017031%20-%20Windscreen%20Wash.pdf


02GF74 - 27/11/16 at 08:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
engine antifreeze is a complex subject, and often different manufacturers require different products, and mixing them may result in gunge / jelly
mixing oat with ethylene glycol for example: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/cooling/cool_121.htm
and in many ways its as important as the oil used!




Long gone are the days when we drove mk 2 escorts to our motor factor corner shop (all closed now) to buy anti freeze of which there was one variety, the blue flavoured stuff and one type of oil, castrol gtx.


britishtrident - 27/11/16 at 09:11 AM

OAT coolant is also ethylene glycol based the problem is the corrosion inhibitors work in a completely different ways.
In addition to checking the concentration of the antifreeze you can check how much corrosion protection is left in the antifreeze by checking the PH.
With in service OAT coolant an PH of about 8 is around normal, new 50/50 mix will be about 8.7

http://www.labcheckresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Coolant-System-Maintenance-Guide-FINAL1.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OC9nM0Frb4


snapper - 27/11/16 at 09:43 AM

Local garage monkey filled my screen washer bottle with pure concentrate, I'm still adding just water and it's still to strong


kingster996 - 27/11/16 at 10:06 AM

Actually had a good experience with Halfords the other day.

Ordered some gearbox oil to collect, turned up during Friday evening rush hour at my nearest branch which happens to be in the middle of major roadworks up here (silverlink) and waited while they tried to find my order that was "ready to collect".

After 10 mins got an apology as they couldn't find any despite the system showing 3 in stock.

I was none too happy as I want to put my gearbox in over the weekend.

They suggested trying another branch, to which I replied pointing out horrendous traffic, inconvenience and other such words of dissatisfaction.

So, they rang another branch, arranged collection, refunded my money and delivered it to my door at 9.00am the next day (Saturday). Totally free of charge.

Can't say fairer than that!


mcerd1 - 28/11/16 at 09:00 AM

The ford stuff is pretty good, both the coolant and the winter screenwash

Or if you need old fashioned glycol coolant, the john Deere coolgaurd II stuff is pretty good too


nick205 - 28/11/16 at 12:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Try your local motor factors David



Agreed - they're cheaper and usually more knowledgeable about things car related too.


907 - 28/11/16 at 02:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Try your local motor factors David



Agreed - they're cheaper and usually more knowledgeable about things car related too.






A visit to my local factors went something like this:-


Morning. 4lts of glycol antifreeze please.

Wos registration?

That won't help as it's a home built car. Just need the blue stuff.

Wos registration?

OK. Q bla bla bla, bla bla bla.

Doesn't come up wiv anyfink.

(quick google on my phone) How about, bla bla bla, bla bla bla, R ?

Computer don't go back that far.

Just give me a couple of those blue cans.

(turns to his mate.) Wos I gotta put on this invoice?




I went elsewhere for the distilled water.

Paul G


Mudchute - 7/6/17 at 04:21 PM

I've stumbled across this thread whilst looking for something else. I feel compelled to add some more info having once worked for Halfords whilst at University (about 4/5 years ago).

I was always frustrated by people buying premixed screen wash knowing how little concentrate was in the 5 litre bottles. I looked up the cost price to each store as I knew the 5 retail price was not representative of the ingredients.

Anyways, Halfords paid 5p per bottle.

If that's not a crime I don't know what is.