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Basically its a scheme to make us pay tax for the privelige of parking at work!
Have a look here
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Basically its a scheme to make us pay tax for the privelige of parking at work!
parking at nottingham university hospitals for staff is £18.60 a month or £223 a year.
hope for my coworkers they wont get charged this as well 
hmmm...
seems the government would rather no one went to work!
no, they'd rather you didn't drive to work.
Obviously you'll now claim you can't get to work - then you have to get a job closer to home or move.
Eventually public services like busses will take off more and we'll be back to where we where in the 50's and 60's with people living
close to work.
(thats the theory - i'll be hit by it as well)
As soon as they make my 50 mile drive to work possible on public transport I'll give it a go. Until then their parking tax theivery can be placed smewhere dark
If my daily 2 mile commute didnt cost at least 10 times the cost in petrol i would be interested!!!
if they dont invest in public transport and make it affordable then it will never work.
[Edited on 31-7-09 by DaveFJ]
He he he
Motor bikes are the way to go 
free parking anywhere and tiny running costs 
I’ve saved £700 in fuel going just to and from work in the last 4
months alone using it and traffic congestion is totally irrelevant joy
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Originally posted by blakep82
hmmm...
seems the government would rather no one went to work!
in defence of public transport - use of my bike and the train saves me £50 a month in fuel plus the hidden costs of running my old car. It also takes
about as much time (faster if its raining) than going by car through 2 cities worth of rush hour twice a day.
[Edited on 31/7/09 by cd.thomson]
quote:
Originally posted by edspurrier
As soon as they make my 50 mile drive to work possible on public transport I'll give it a go. Until then their parking tax theivery can be placed smewhere dark
bl$$dy rip off quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by edspurrier
As soon as they make my 50 mile drive to work possible on public transport I'll give it a go. Until then their parking tax theivery can be placed smewhere dark
Hope that doesn’t mean using the bus? Cos then you you’ll seen how much using the bus costs these days. To get to my work which is a 20 minute journey on the bike, 40minutes in the car, takes 2hrs on a public bus, using 4 busses a day! Most of the time your standing, it’s freezing in the winter and I mean inside the busses. Noisier and more uncomfortable than an old landrover, and for that it cost £60 a week in fares
[Edited on 31/7/09 by Mr Whippy]
quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
no, they'd rather you didn't drive to work.
Obviously you'll now claim you can't get to work - then you have to get a job closer to home or move.
Eventually public services like busses will take off more and we'll be back to where we where in the 50's and 60's with people living close to work.
(thats the theory - i'll be hit by it as well)
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Motor bikes are the way to go free parking anywhere and tiny running costs
The bus for me and the missus works out £8.20 per day, and we would have to leave home at 7:30 to get to our offices in Leeds just before 9.
Whereas in the iQ, it costs around £1.80 in petrol, I can set off at 8.20 park underneath work and still be at my desk with a bacon butty and latte in
hand for before 9.
Public transport is just such a no-brainer, parking would have to be around £150 a month to make me think twice
No contest
quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
quote:
Motor bikes are the way to go free parking anywhere and tiny running costs
They are starting to charge for bike parking in London now.
As soon as they get away with a parking tax on cars they'll move onto bikes.
is it free to park a motor bike, most of the carparks cars pay in give free bike parking !!!
P.s posted this not realising most of the ppl already covered this :s didnt see their was 2 pages lol
[Edited on 31/7/09 by P ?]
I don't think it should be compulsory to pay to park, where I work there is some much space to park its ridiculous to have to pay!
However some places need it, where my mum works in Liverpool is almost impossible to park in the building she works in there are so many people with
passes.
She has to park 15min walk away and pay for the pleasure of that. She tends to alternate between driving and getting the bus as will the cost of the
parking included in using the car its about the same as the bus.
quote:
Originally posted by trogdor
I don't think it should be compulsory to pay to park, where I work there is some much space to park its ridiculous to have to pay!
However some places need it, where my mum works in Liverpool is almost impossible to park in the building she works in there are so many people with passes.
She has to park 15min walk away and pay for the pleasure of that. She tends to alternate between driving and getting the bus as will the cost of the parking included in using the car its about the same as the bus.
Its a sad reflection on the lack of leadership on behalf of our politicians. They know there's a problem but they cant find a solution. More
broadly it fits into the 2 key positions of New Labour:
1) the only solution to any problem is to tax it
2) We are in charge and will make you do what we say and by force if necessary, though really we'd rather just tax you into it.
The problem is that there are more people who want to drive than there are spaces on city streets or busy motorways. We either need to travel less
at peak times, or travel by other means or build more roads.
Building roads, railways or more bus lanes is too hard for our limp politicans and it costs some money and they can't be arsed. Tax raises
money.
The problem is deeper than this though. We can no longer expect a job for life. We are expected to be flexible with work and move about as needed,
for instance in a recession when we lose our jobs. House prices are more than the average person can realistically afford so the only choice open to
us is to travel to work from where we live, even if that means travelling. further.
Public transport outside of London is just appalling. I've been to Hong Kong where public transport is simply excellent. Here in Birmingham,
Britain's second biggest city, it is so poor as to be unusable unless you really have to. That means the road is the only viable option.
Government wants to make us use public transport rather than cars and is trying to tax us into it. It won't work. Road travel will have to be
LOADS worse than it is not for public transport to become a concevible option.
I used to work in Solihull on the other side of the city. It was a 35 minute journey by car. Solihull council threatened to tax car parking spaces
so I looked at public transport as an alternative. To travel 13 miles each way took 5 busses a day, 2 out and 3 back. My work place just happened to
be on the A34 - a main bus route. It took 2 1/2 hours each way and would cost more per day than owning and running a small car. Just how much would
you have to tax me to spend 20 extra hours per week getting to and from work and have to suffer bus travel rather than a car? Even if they slowed
average car speeds to 6 MPH it would still be faster than the bus.
This is the root of the problem and they're just incapable of fixing it. The problem WILL NOT go away until they do. A tax on road travel will
not fix the need to go to work. A tax on parking will only make people park on the roads. Neither Brown's lot nor Cameron's lot have got
the answer. They don't even have seemed to think about the problem.
There's a problem? Tax it. It's still a problem? Tax it some more. Still a problem? Yet more tax. Still a problem? Just how much more
tax is it going to take?
Leaving your car at home is OK if you have public transport. (read big city's)
I live on the edge of Tyne & Wear/ Co.Durham and can get a bus to Newcastle 20 miles away every 15 minutes. takes about 40mins on the express.
Loads of options including the Metro.
My work (left today) was 5 miles the other way over the border into Co. Durham.
Only way to get to work by public transport (8 am start) is to get the first bus to Peterlee @ 06.05, then wait for the connection up to the ind
estate that would get me there for 7.45.
So, walking, bus, waiting, bus, walking = 2 hours to commute 5 miles?? This government need someone like guy forks to visit them again. Tossers!
And I think an electric vehicle would have suited me for that short commute considering the recharge time.
But, now I'm at the mercy of the job centre I'll enjoy the 2 mile walk to sign on, as long as its not pissing down like!
quote:
In my opinion, the best and simplest way to reduce travelling and congestion would be for government to pressure companies (maybe through the tax system) into making working from home the norm for many. For many whose jobs cannot be done from home, travel could be greatly eased by a presumption of a right to flexible working, allowing work hours to be fitted to travel options. That would leave only those whose work has to be performed at specific locations and times needing to travel during the busy periods.
quote:
Originally posted by Sam
quote:
In my opinion, the best and simplest way to reduce travelling and congestion would be for government to pressure companies (maybe through the tax system) into making working from home the norm for many. For many whose jobs cannot be done from home, travel could be greatly eased by a presumption of a right to flexible working, allowing work hours to be fitted to travel options. That would leave only those whose work has to be performed at specific locations and times needing to travel during the busy periods.
Goverment put pressure on companies maybe through the tax system !!! Don't you think they do that enough, obviously not in business !
Working from home, targets !! Targets smargets what a joke !!
Flexible hours !! Not practical, I want people in work when I can see what there doing. i.e doing my hours !!
Give an inch and most people take a mile. One in a million might actually have the ethics to put in a full days work when no ones watching ! Dont suggest companies bear more of the brunt for poor politics !! GGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Biggest problem is that the public transport simply isn't there at the right quality and cost, until the government / councils start seeing it as
a service to support industry and the population rather than a money making venture then it's unlikely to get better.... with regard to
Nottingham,does it have a park and ride? - I guess if it does, the council are doing the right thing by 'discouraging' people on to
it....but I guess there should be a flip side such as the tax is only payable if there is a service available to the locale at the right speed (and it
would need to cost less than the parking!!)
Just to add, when I lived in Germany, the council did a similar thing - pedestrianised the inner 1/2 mile of the city 16hrs of the day....worked
really well...
[Edited on 31/7/09 by gregs]
I do use public transport to go to work - I commute by train two-thirds of the way into London. I still have to drive 5 miles to the station though,
as there's absolutely no buses. The train does take longer, but the daily drive would be intolerable - 45 miles each way on the A12, which is
like the M25 but without the good driving skills...
Unfortunately, the trains are on strike for every Thursday & Friday, this week and the three weeks after. So I have had to drive, as work
pressures meant that I couldn't work from home.
When they're not on strike, the train companies treat their passengers like dirt - which is appropriate, considering the state of their
carriages.
[Edited on 31/7/09 by David Jenkins]
I just checked my route out which is from liverpool to manchester.
It takes between 35-55 minutes to do the drive depending on traffic etc. it would take a minimum of 2 hours public transport with a total of 30
minutes walk each way.
I live and work in a pretty well serviced area, I hate to think what it would do to everyone who lived/worked in more rural areas.
A RICOCKULOUS idea.
Steve - that works in the world of manufacuring as you can get to 1 deviation per 10,000 or whatever your target is - in the majority of other
industry that is simply not the case.
there are probably 5% of jobs within the uk economy that are as simple or structured to allow that sort of planning.
Simple fact is, if everything were that straightforward then there would be 90% less managers in the country - cos you need managers to manage
situations/people/processes etc.
You could front load every job with a consultant telling you the inputs, outputs and propose a scedule for work - but it would cost a hell of a lot
more than most posts are worth.
quote:
Originally posted by SteveWalker
quote:
Originally posted by Sam
quote:
In my opinion, the best and simplest way to reduce travelling and congestion would be for government to pressure companies (maybe through the tax system) into making working from home the norm for many. For many whose jobs cannot be done from home, travel could be greatly eased by a presumption of a right to flexible working, allowing work hours to be fitted to travel options. That would leave only those whose work has to be performed at specific locations and times needing to travel during the busy periods.
Goverment put pressure on companies maybe through the tax system !!! Don't you think they do that enough, obviously not in business !
Working from home, targets !! Targets smargets what a joke !!
Flexible hours !! Not practical, I want people in work when I can see what there doing. i.e doing my hours !!
Give an inch and most people take a mile. One in a million might actually have the ethics to put in a full days work when no ones watching ! Dont suggest companies bear more of the brunt for poor politics !! GGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
This is exactly the problem I'm talking about - most management want people where they can see them, during specific hours. During those hours they can do a certain quantity of work, but often this is not measured, only the time they spend there. As long as that work quantity is known and targets can be set, why does it matter where and when they work, as long as the correct quantity and quality of work is completed?
I design industrial control systems, my input is specifications, data sheets, standards, drawings, etc. and my output is similar. At the stage of quoting for a contract, the planners cost out the hours needed and produce a schedule. As long as I can complete my work to their schedule, why does anyone need to see me sat a particular desk from 9 to 5 each day? Indeed two design jobs that I completed were quoted by myself as fixed price contracts, where and when I worked was up to me - in fact one of them was completed in the evenings in a hotel room when I had sod all else to do as I was working away long term for a different company. The work was completed to schedule and handed over, no supervision necessary, no monitoring of hours, no clocking in and out. Simply setting and meeting of a target.
Where work is of a type that can be done this way (and much office work is), there would be many benefits *to* companies - happier workforce, less office space required, less heating/cooling, smaller car parks required, etc. Government taxation to push this would have to be targetted not to damage businesses, it would have to be punish companies that unecessarily insisted on old-fashioned office setups where homeworking was a sensible option - working on a cost neutral basis.
The joke here (if there is one!) is that the motorist is paying for public transport - ie the very people that don't need it- the council should
be paying for the trams with their money from Central Government.
Just need to combine this with a tax on Sorn'd vehicles to increase their income - it is an extension of the same principle.
Hopefully the people of Nottingham can express their views through a ballot box, assuming they still hold elections down there
quote:
Originally posted by Dangle_kt
Steve - that works in the world of manufacuring as you can get to 1 deviation per 10,000 or whatever your target is - in the majority of other industry that is simply not the case.
there are probably 5% of jobs within the uk economy that are as simple or structured to allow that sort of planning.
Simple fact is, if everything were that straightforward then there would be 90% less managers in the country - cos you need managers to manage situations/people/processes etc.
You could front load every job with a consultant telling you the inputs, outputs and propose a scedule for work - but it would cost a hell of a lot more than most posts are worth.
quote:
I'm not talking about that sort of planning for every job, that was just an example of why anyone in my line of work (and most of the support staff required) are not needed to be in the office 9-5, five days a week.
For example, call centre staff do not need to be in a call centre - some do indeed work from home, but why do any actually need to be in a call centre? They already have targets of so many calls per hour and phone lines and broadband mean work can be carried out anywhere.
There are many others: accountants, solicitors, programmers, telephonists, order clerks, buyers, planners, managers and many more - all could spend at least part of the week working from home. Even if some could only do one day a week at home, it all adds up. We don't need comprehensive plans and schedules for all, simple measures of number of calls/letters/orders per month will generally average out any peaks and troughs.
I'm by no means saying that everyone can do this, but we've all seen how traffic improves during the school holidays.
For most things that absolutely need a presence in the office, the next non-home day will do or in an emergency someone else will do it, just like they have to to cover holidays and absences.
snapper - 31/7/09 at 05:59 PMquote:
Theresa Villiers, the Tory transport spokesman, accused the Government of hitting businesses with new taxes.
I take it from this comment that as the Tories will get in easily at the next election that this tax will be lost.
Hope so my office is in the country with no appreciable public transport has 300 + people on site with hundreds of visitors on an 800 acre site.
clbarclay - 31/7/09 at 07:06 PMWell they might class it as an old take by the time they get in
clbarclay - 31/7/09 at 07:23 PMPersonally I don't like commuting. I spent a year doing it on placement with a 1.5 hr round commute and the only real alternative would have been to pay a lot more for rented accomidation in gin and jaguar rural villages near work so that I could cycle.
Working at home was not an option there because most people worked on an assembly line and as an engineer, time spent on the shop floor is invaluable.
Like I say, I don't like commuting, but its part of the nature of this countries ecconomy which is going to take more than taxing* to change.
*it may lead to increased investment in public transport to compensate, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
JoelP - 31/7/09 at 08:11 PMquote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by edspurrier
As soon as they make my 50 mile drive to work possible on public transport I'll give it a go. Until then their parking tax theivery can be placed smewhere dark
Hope that doesn’t mean using the bus? Cos then you you’ll seen how much using the bus costs these days. To get to my work which is a 20 minute journey on the bike, 40 minutes in the car, takes 2hrs on a public bus, using 4 busses a day! Most of the time your standing, it’s freezing in the winter and I mean inside the busses. Noisier and more uncomfortable than an old landrover, and for that it cost £60 a week in fares
[Edited on 31/7/09 by Mr Whippy]
Me and the wife got a bus home from town the other night, came to a fiver! Taxi would only be about £7
blakep82 - 1/8/09 at 12:54 AMquote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
hmmm...
seems the government would rather no one went to work!
Or..........if they cant have all your money , then neither can you
My 10 minute drive to work would take more than an hour by bus , and would include a mile or so of walking.......
my 10 minute drive to work would be 25minutes completely the wrong direction into greenock, change bus (don't know how long i'd be waiting, or if they even go to the same stop) then back down to gourock again. wou;d be at least an hour
bigpig - 1/8/09 at 08:59 AMquote:
Originally posted by SteveWalker
This is exactly the problem I'm talking about - most management want people where they can see them, during specific hours. During those hours they can do a certain quantity of work, but often this is not measured, only the time they spend there. As long as that work quantity is known and targets can be set, why does it matter where and when they work, as long as the correct quantity and quality of work is completed?
We have a similar issue. The problem is people taking the p!ss out of the working from home option (not always the staff either)
We do allow working from how for specific tasks (e.g. writing up performance reviews when you just want to sit away from distractions), but before hand a brief summary of what the task is and the expected outcomes are required & evidence that either a) its been done or b) why it didn't get completed.
This way its all above board.
Of course it requires a bit more effort from the management than producing and sitting around watching power point presentations.
This is local gov rather than private sector. In the private sector I found it very anti working from home (probably becuase you couldn't present it in power point).
As for communting to work, I generally cycled and used a motorcycle when it was raining. Usually work was within about 6 miles or so from home (so about 30 to 45 minutes cycle ride).
woodster - 1/8/09 at 09:40 AMthis has nothing to do with saving the planet and everything to do with taxation..... as this labour government and Gordan Clown become more and more desperate for money the taxes will come thick and fast ........ remember vote labour you get spend spend spend and tax tax tax ... like a druggy with a nicked credit card .......... time for us all to take to the streets and say NO
woodster - 1/8/09 at 09:44 AMquote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by edspurrier
As soon as they make my 50 mile drive to work possible on public transport I'll give it a go. Until then their parking tax theivery can be placed smewhere dark
Hope that doesn’t mean using the bus? Cos then you you’ll seen how much using the bus costs these days. To get to my work which is a 20 minute journey on the bike, 40 minutes in the car, takes 2hrs on a public bus, using 4 busses a day! Most of the time your standing, it’s freezing in the winter and I mean inside the busses. Noisier and more uncomfortable than an old landrover, and for that it cost £60 a week in fares
[Edited on 31/7/09 by Mr Whippy]
Me and the wife got a bus home from town the other night, came to a fiver! Taxi would only be about £7
totally agree me the mrs £1.40 each for a mile trip from the pub then 5min walk
DaveFJ - 3/8/09 at 08:17 AMpersonally a bus home from town (about 2 miles) for me and swmbo would cost more than a taxi
wilkingj - 3/8/09 at 12:53 PMThe Whole problem is MUCH SIMPLER.
There are just TOO MANY PEOPLE in the world today.
This is what is causing the problem, and it will not go away.
When I was a kid there were 4Bn in the world, now 60 years later there are 6Bn.
Until the population growth is brought under control, all these problems including starvation, war, etc etc etc will never be solved.
Only the Chinese have tackled the problem, and in doing so have created otyher problems. At least they are trying to do something.
Other than that, this scheme is just another stealth tax, by a Gov't than needs to raise more money than it says it needs.
Glad I'm nearing retirement age.
Also dont forget the congeation charging schemes that you will have to pass throught to get to your company parking space that you have been taxed to the hilt for.
There is NO easy answer to the worlds problems that is socially acceptable to the populace. If there was ANY of the political parties would have done it in a flash, and guaranteed themselves another term in office.
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MikeRJ - 3/8/09 at 01:36 PMquote:
Originally posted by Sam
quote:
Working from home, targets !! Targets smargets what a joke !!
Flexible hours !! Not practical, I want people in work when I can see what there doing. i.e doing my hours !!
It works perfectly well where I work. We all work flexible hours and I can work from home if I arrange it.
If you employ untrustworthy monkeys then perhaps you have a bigger issue than flexible working...
iti_uk - 4/8/09 at 10:25 AMThis is one of the many reasons I don't want to live in the UK much longer than I have to.
One day (sooner rather than later I hope), I'd like to move somewhere like Hong Kong, where people don't need cars at all, the public transport is so cheap and convenient, and makes our system look completely medieval. I'd still take a car over there (preferrably my KLMX-5), but it would become a toy rather than a commuting necessity.
And on top of that, the roads around HK are pretty good and have some fun twisties occasionally which would be nice to blat along. Most other traffic on the road is either taxis, busses and lorries.
And the weather's nicer :p
And living costs are lower (apart from housing).
And food's better, cheaper and the shops open later.
Hmm... plans....
England's a great country, it's just the tossers who are in charge which are the problem!
JMHO
Chris
MikeRJ - 4/8/09 at 10:32 AMquote:
Originally posted by iti_uk
England's a great country, it's just the tossers who are in charge which are the problem!
A good summary. Given any problem, the current government will try to use taxation to solve it. One trick ponies who are hopefully heading toward the slaughter house ASAP.
iti_uk - 4/8/09 at 02:18 PMquote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
A good summary. Given any problem, the current government will try to use taxation to solve it. One trick ponies who are hopefully heading toward the slaughter house ASAP.
Agreed!
MautoK - 8/8/09 at 08:38 PMquote:
Originally posted by iti_uk
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
A good summary. Given any problem, the current government will try to use taxation to solve it. One trick ponies who are hopefully heading toward the slaughter house ASAP.
Agreed!
+1
...a bit late; been on holiday (without the PC)!
wicket - 8/8/09 at 09:51 PMquote:
Originally posted by DaveFJ
If my daily 2 mile commute didnt cost at least 10 times the cost in petrol i would be interested!!!
if they dont invest in public transport and make it affordable then it will never work.
[Edited on 31-7-09 by DaveFJ]
As its only 2 miles why not walk that will cost you nothing !!
[Edited on 8/8/09 by wicket]
smart51 - 9/8/09 at 07:08 AMShe said it is implemented by the local council in Nottingham and if it were introduced elsewhere, the council would have to apply to do it. She admitted that there were public transport issues in Birmingham and doubted that even if the council applied for it that they would get it. That, and there were no plans to do it.
She also questioned the political acumen of such a scheme.
People of nottingham, get out and vote. Or park on the roads instead of the car parks. Bring the city to a halt and then see what the councillors think.
iank - 9/8/09 at 05:54 PMquote:
Originally posted by smart51
... Bring the city to a halt and then see what the councillors think.
Bet they'd be double yellowing the whole city.
