If I had, I could buy some new speaker cables. LINKY
Tried Selling My Dax Rush this year, with no luck.
If I had, I could buy some new speaker cables. LINKY
How can speaker cable be that expensive?!? Can you really tell the difference between the most expensive and the cheapest on there website?
No.
Perhaps the biggest load of snake oil this side of the black stump.
Cheers,
Bob
fuck me thats plain stupid 7 grand for 5 meters of wire some people need help
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it right?....
I think they are a bargain, it has probally taken years of careful research and developement to construct these highly sophisticated cables. The
manufacturing process in it's self is very expensive and I understand the profit margins are very small. At last a company that puts quality
before cost on what is the F1 product in acoustic world. I would like to wish Dr Richard Bews (wasn't he in the Likely Lads in the 60's
before he became a doctor) all the luck in the world with his hifi wires.
[Edited on 4/11/11 by LBMEFM]
Only kidding 
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it right?....
HiFi is one of the biggest rackets on the planet. The "this sounds amazing, can't you hear the difference you cloth eared muppet"
scenario has made these people a fortune. Yes, £7000 cables wlll be better than £20 ones from Maplins but the difference would be a bit like making
your car 1
2lbs lighter and then waxing lyrical about the transformation.
No No No no no no whats the saying a fool and his money are easily parted
though on a similar vain - off to richer sounds at the weekend for a new AV Amp
Richer Sounds - do you want a £70 Dvi cable with that sir .
Me - The amp is only £150 and DVI is digital So no I will use my £3 from Asda thanks, now do you want my £150 or not !
Richer sounds - but you may get data loss with a £3 cable
Me - Possibly but I can get a gigabit digital signal down a 15 year old cat 5 lan lead, I will take my chance and spend the £67 on somthing else. PS
please take a look at the markup your company is buying the £70 DVI cable for ( I guess about £7 )?
Regards
Agriv8
Woah that's a couple of singles in a bit of braid with soldered ends
I'll make you 50m for £2k, and it'll be done by lunch if u want, even got the parts here lol
In reply to a previous post, audio signal is ac
Atb
Stott
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Originally posted by jeffw
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC. As with everything else in life this is the law of diminishing returns, is it worth 7K, well to some people it is. I have lowly Linn speaker cables from my Naim amps to my Ruark speakers and the cable 'only' cost £250 but it sounds amazing when you put a piece of vinyl on the Sondek. If I had lots of money and it was something I was really into then 7K wouldn't put me off as there is sound engineering reasons why this makes a difference. To a generation listening to compressed MP3 dgital files on their iPods this means nothing but to a audiophile it is the equivalent to a 599 GTO Ferrari, something to aspire to.
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Originally posted by jeffw
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC.
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
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Originally posted by jeffw
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC.
Its AC, speakers don't work well with DC since the cone has to be moved in both directions. In fact any decent amplifier will have protection circuitry to ensure DC never gets to the speaker since it could burn the voice coil out very quickly.
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I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC.
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Originally posted by bmseven
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Originally posted by jeffw
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC. As with everything else in life this is the law of diminishing returns, is it worth 7K, well to some people it is. I have lowly Linn speaker cables from my Naim amps to my Ruark speakers and the cable 'only' cost £250 but it sounds amazing when you put a piece of vinyl on the Sondek. If I had lots of money and it was something I was really into then 7K wouldn't put me off as there is sound engineering reasons why this makes a difference. To a generation listening to compressed MP3 dgital files on their iPods this means nothing but to a audiophile it is the equivalent to a 599 GTO Ferrari, something to aspire to.
^ What he said, some people listen and some people LISTEN
Yeap....obvious brain damage in old age. As an electronic engineer I know loudspeaker speaker signals are AC in nature. I wasn't defending directional cable but rather suggesting that quality components, well designed, will produce better results than cheap end of the market. As I said it is diminishing returns.....
Just remember that the best speakers give 10% distortion, electrical to air pressure
If you have a 50' run from amp to speaker you might want to use thicker cable to reduce power loss and HF roll off.
Otherwise, spend your money on a street girl ( they fake it too )
Edit after actually looking at the site:
A £ 250 mains lead will make all the difference though
[Edited on 4/11/11 by Macbeast]
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Originally posted by probablyleon
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Originally posted by bmseven
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Originally posted by jeffw
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
Just dig a little deeper and you'll find people trying to convince you that speaker cables can be directional. Yes, that's right, the AC signal that travels both ways by definition prefers one direction in a conductor.......just listen, only refined ears can hear it - you can hear it right?....
I would think the signal to a speaker is DC rather than AC. As with everything else in life this is the law of diminishing returns, is it worth 7K, well to some people it is. I have lowly Linn speaker cables from my Naim amps to my Ruark speakers and the cable 'only' cost £250 but it sounds amazing when you put a piece of vinyl on the Sondek. If I had lots of money and it was something I was really into then 7K wouldn't put me off as there is sound engineering reasons why this makes a difference. To a generation listening to compressed MP3 dgital files on their iPods this means nothing but to a audiophile it is the equivalent to a 599 GTO Ferrari, something to aspire to.
^ What he said, some people listen and some people LISTEN
I spend most of my life 'listening' in various studios and I'm certainly not immune to spending money (where it counts) in my own project studio; Neumann mics, Neve preamps etc etc but speaker cable?!? I think it would be impossible to truly tell the difference between standard 'good quality' speaker cable and anything more expensive. As for expensive digital cables, there was something in a magazine a few years back where apparently they managed to successfully make wet string work!
Just hilarious, obviously some folk have never heard of the Emperors new clothes
Honestly the stuff people waste money on, god knows how they still have any left?
Pretty sure I would be wasting my time talking about high end audio equipment on a forum which has as its central premise building a sports car for £250.
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Originally posted by Agriv8
A BT engineer once said they can get digital over a peice of damp string in fact a large number of you lot in BT land are getting high speed internet over 10 - 15 year old crimped together copper.
Regards
Agriv8
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Originally posted by jeffw
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Originally posted by Agriv8
A BT engineer once said they can get digital over a peice of damp string in fact a large number of you lot in BT land are getting high speed internet over 10 - 15 year old crimped together copper.
Regards
Agriv8
There is an enormous difference between a digital signal (and no damp string wouldn't do it) over copper or fibre and an Analogue signal between an amplifier and a set of speakers.
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Pretty sure I would be wasting my time talking about high end audio equipment on a forum which has as its central premise building a sports car for £250.
Made me grin, but doesn't mean people don't know what they're talking about or are not willing to spend money where it matters.
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
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Pretty sure I would be wasting my time talking about high end audio equipment on a forum which has as its central premise building a sports car for £250.
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True, and if you can hear £7000 difference then by all means pay for it. But I'd rather have the Dax and with the change I'd be able to buy ONE GALLON OF GAS!
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Originally posted by Macbeast
Just remember that the best speakers give 10% distortion, electrical to air pressure
I love threads like this. Peoples are opinions are often very strong, and often mis-informed one way or another.
I used to work in this industry, and yes some of the mark ups are huge, and yes most definately some things are not worth the extra above others.
I wont get into the arguments, but will make these points:
Speaker cable is often sold as directional, and according to manufacturers it is to do with the way the wire is extruded... They also say that if
used the wrong way round it will quickly become accustomed to being used that way, so is unimportant.
Interconnects are often directional, and this is to do with the way the shielding is connected.
When selecting componets for a hi-fi system, the priorty order for quality is:
Source (CD, tuner, turntable)
Pre-amplifier
Power amplifier
Speakers
Interconnects
Speaker cable
Mains
This order is used as no matter how good something further down the chain is, it cant replace what is already lost. I ran for some time a pair of
£200 speakers on a system that retailed at nearly £5000 (I paid no where near that!), why didnt I replace them? Because the sound was fantastic!
When I did eventually replace them, to quote an overused industry term, it was like a sheet had been lifted from infront of the speakers. Only
problem was it revealed the the weakness that was my pre-amp, something that had been masked by the 'poorer' speakers 
I'll stop now, I'm waffling.
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
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Pretty sure I would be wasting my time talking about high end audio equipment on a forum which has as its central premise building a sports car for £250.
True, and if you can hear £7000 difference then by all means pay for it. But I'd rather have the Dax and with the change I'd be able to buy ONE GALLON OF GAS!