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That film their so pi$$ed off at

Mr Whippy - 20/9/12 at 11:43 AM

Yeah you know the one, doing it rounds on YouTube

I can see why it is considered so offensive, that's obviously exactly why it was made

In some ways it is almost comical, the dubbing as ridiculous as in Eurotrash, costumes and special effects to old Flash Gordon standards what a mess. But the content pure inflammatory rubbish.

I feel sorry for the actors as they have obviously been duped, chances are they have had no idea what it was about in reality but it may come back to haunt them

Was surprised YouTube aired it at all, I would have considered it racist hate mongering, much as if Nazi or KKK propaganda was shown.

loggyboy - 20/9/12 at 11:47 AM

eh?

Mr Whippy - 20/9/12 at 11:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
eh?

you need to get out the garage more

there's a film been made and its causing riots etc and now it's on you tube

and no its not Total Recall even though it's almost as bad, we should have a 'Just how many things can one film get wrong' for that on Friday...

[Edited on 20/9/12 by Mr Whippy]

loggyboy - 20/9/12 at 11:53 AM

Oh is this the Mo cartoon? I have heard but unless they riot on my street im barely interested.

Mr Whippy - 20/9/12 at 12:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
Oh is this the Mo cartoon? I have heard but unless they riot on my street im barely interested.

no but a film along the same lines, if your street was next to the U.S. Embassy in Cairo you have heard about it

dhutch - 20/9/12 at 12:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy... if your street was next to the U.S. Embassy in Cairo you have heard about it

Yes

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=U.S.+Embassy+in+Cairo&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi& amp;ei=BgZbUPfqBanK0QXQ8oCIDg&biw=1386&bih=573&sei=FgZbUIzyGNCr0AWIlIDQBw

RK - 20/9/12 at 12:15 PM

In this day and age, you'd think people would know better. But no. Is this another one of George Bush's friend's little plots to stir things again? And what is with that French magazine's cartoons? Do they have mush for brains? And why would anybody in the Muslim world think that kind of thing is what we in the West think? I find that quite insulting!

[Edited on 20/9/12 by RK]

scootz - 20/9/12 at 12:36 PM

The film is ridiculously offensive... the 'outrage' even more so!

whitestu - 20/9/12 at 12:39 PM

quote:

In this day and age, you'd think people would know better.

Do you mean the folks rioting and killing people becasue they are offended on the behalf of someone else or the people making films and drawing cartoons?

adithorp - 20/9/12 at 01:02 PM

Unless it effects thier advertising revenue You-tube are unlikely to pull the plug.

A muslim cleric was asked last night on the radio, why the outrage was being aimed at the US (and other western) government; His answer was that a lot of the protesters have no real idea what free speech means. They have no experience of it. For years they haven't been able to see or hear anything that wasn't fed to them by thier government. There'sa huge gulf between wanting free speech and defending right others to say things you don't agree with. Half the US hasn't managed to make that leap yet.

Davey D - 20/9/12 at 02:31 PM

The film is called "Innocence of Muslims"

MikeRJ - 20/9/12 at 03:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
The film is ridiculously offensive...

It's only considered "offensive" because of the people the film targets. If a similar film was made about Christians I doubt it would even receive a small fraction of the attention and criticism.

JeffHs - 20/9/12 at 03:52 PM

Go back to when it was first released. Python's Life of Brian caused huge offence to some, despite it being one of the funniest films ever made.

adithorp - 20/9/12 at 04:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JeffHs
Go back to when it was first released. Python's Life of Brian caused huge offence to some, despite it being one of the funniest films ever made.

The debate between Malcolm Mugeridge (IIRC) and some bishop (who both thought it was sacriledge and should be banned) and John Cleese/Michael Palin was a classic. Only afterwards did it come out that they'd only seen part of the film and missed the important begining. If people as well educated as them cannot understand the concept of free speech what chance have the third world got.

The Shootist - 20/9/12 at 04:14 PM

I wonder at the possibility that Al Q or one of the other terrorist groups may have duped the director into making the film.

Just to stir the pot a bit. Donations to the "cause" down a bit due to the global economy and all......

Slide this dummy a bit of cash, pat him on the back, offer a few words of encouragement etc.

bobinspain - 20/9/12 at 07:13 PM

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/27711

Please read the above link. It's from a speech by W.S. Churchill in 1899.
As they say, 'plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose'
I thought it was Russell's quote. (He was equally scathing).

scootz - 20/9/12 at 07:28 PM

I quite enjoy Pat Condell's various musings on religious matters...

Link

scootz - 20/9/12 at 07:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
The film is ridiculously offensive...

It's only considered "offensive" because of the people the film targets. If a similar film was made about Christians I doubt it would even receive a small fraction of the attention and criticism.

Oops - missed out the end... I meant to say that 'the film is ridiculously offensive to the notion of satirical comedy...

adithorp - 20/9/12 at 07:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by The Shootist
I wonder at the possibility that Al Q or one of the other terrorist groups may have duped the director into making the film.

Just to stir the pot a bit. Donations to the "cause" down a bit due to the global economy and all......

Slide this dummy a bit of cash, pat him on the back, offer a few words of encouragement etc.

Do you really think these numpties need encouraging?

The Shootist - 20/9/12 at 08:04 PM

Maybe just a nudge in the right direction.

I just wonder if it was an intentional trigger to stir things up.

With that area of the world the potential is always there, it just needs a nudge to tip it off.

bobinspain - 20/9/12 at 08:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I quite enjoy Pat Condell's various musings on religious matters...

Link

Scootz,

The problem with yer man Condell is that he affords Islam the title 'a religion.' Big mistake! It's a cult, nothing more. A misguided and dangerous one, (aren't all cults? It's written into their DNA). He also tries to out-zealot the zealots. An impossible task.

The really insidious nature of this cult though, is that it's like a virus operating from within, and like a virus, it'll keep breeding until the host is dead. Sadly, this dim host (the West and UK in particular) is consciously aiding and abetting in its own destruction. In UK, it's been that way since 1948 and the Labour Government's British Nationality Act. Although to be fair, no Government since, has grasped the immigration nettle, despite recognising the threat of its presence.

Check out any reputable demographic study. UK has between 50 and 70 yrs before it becomes a part of the Islamic Caliphate.

Sweet dreams.

[Edited on 20/9/12 by bobinspain]

RK - 20/9/12 at 10:06 PM

I think people take religion far too seriously. It is a personal thing, which people tend to exploit for their own benefit, as any group really. I'd ask why people are so upset in the first place, that a small nudge gets them all fired up. There have to be economic reasons somewhere in there.

Rod Ends - 20/9/12 at 10:40 PM

They deserve to be mocked!

Moron

RK - 20/9/12 at 11:33 PM

Cranberry and soda is an excellent combination. I hope he means apple juice and the like. That stuff is overrated.

Ninehigh - 21/9/12 at 07:03 AM

And orange with the bits in, that stuff makes me feel like I'm drinking flavoured vomit

whitestu - 21/9/12 at 07:19 AM

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The problem with yer man Condell is that he affords Islam the title 'a religion.' Big mistake! It's a cult, nothing more

Which one isn't? They are all just fairy stories.

Alfa145 - 21/9/12 at 07:47 AM

And Pakistan have just given everyone a day off to go and protest and trash the local Western Embassy.....fantastic.

Wish every time something offended me I could get a day off work just to go and take it out on foreign governments buildings and trash as much as I liked.

Obviously a highly intelligent and respectful religion....we don't like something so it's time to riot, kill people and trash everything.

Theshed - 21/9/12 at 07:49 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
I quite enjoy Pat Condell's various musings on religious matters...

Link

Scootz,

The problem with yer man Condell is that he affords Islam the title 'a religion.' Big mistake! It's a cult, nothing more. A misguided and dangerous one, (aren't all cults? It's written into their DNA). He also tries to out-zealot the zealots. An impossible task.

The really insidious nature of this cult though, is that it's like a virus operating from within, and like a virus, it'll keep breeding until the host is dead. Sadly, this dim host (the West and UK in particular) is consciously aiding and abetting in its own destruction. In UK, it's been that way since 1948 and the Labour Government's British Nationality Act. Although to be fair, no Government since, has grasped the immigration nettle, despite recognising the threat of its presence.

Check out any reputable demographic study. UK has between 50 and 70 yrs before it becomes a part of the Islamic Caliphate.

Sweet dreams.

[Edited on 20/9/12 by bobinspain]

"bobinspain" has an anti-imigration rant Oooh the irony

I have not read such well informed drivel since I last visited the Stormfornt website....

bobinspain - 21/9/12 at 08:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by whitestu

quote:

The problem with yer man Condell is that he affords Islam the title 'a religion.' Big mistake! It's a cult, nothing more

Which one isn't? They are all just fairy stories.

Yes Stu, but the point I'm making is that Islam is 'different' from other more traditional, 'fairy story' religions which by nature are largely benign and harmless. (Not many call for beheading for instance).

Islam (or more correctly, radical Islam) exhorts its followers to do unspeakable things to non-believers. It really is a throw-back to the Dark Ages.

Just Google 'what makes Islam a cult' and there are approx 17 very unpleasant characteristcs which qualify a movement for cult-status. Islam ticks every single box.

Nature abhors a vacuum, (Aristotle?), so in the absence of education and civilisation, we have 'faith' emdodied by Islam.

bobinspain - 21/9/12 at 10:42 AM

"bobinspain" has an anti-imigration rant Oooh the irony

Wake up and then grow up!

My information is fact and experienced based.

Britain gives �665,000,000 in aid to Pakistan to rebuild cinemas and police stations which as I'm typing, are being razed to the ground in the name of Islam. Switch on the tv and see what's happening right now.

In your name, Cameron has authorised a budget of �11,000,000,000 in overseas aid by 2015. Yes, eleven billion pounds.

What's ironic that I chose to flee Blair's Britain? You must have obtuse reasoning powers.

I'm a patriotic Englishman who served Queen and Country for 17 years, so people like you could express an opinion, however misguided, and not be persecuted for their beliefs.

By the way. You may care to know the definition of Countryside: The assassination of 'Threshed.'

Jasper - 21/9/12 at 10:53 AM

This is what i reckon we should do:

If we can get everyone who owns a web site or newspaper or magazine to on the same day slag of Islam and their ridiculous prophet. If every non-muslim gets involved in this all over the world at the same time what can they do? They can't attack everyone everywhere can they?

And what really makes me laugh is in all their protesting it is always more muslims that die - so lets just do it lots more till they realise they can't get away with this sh*t any more.

I really really do hate Islam, much more so than any other religion, it just has no redeeming features whatsoever. And I think their main problem is their exclusion of women in all areas of their life (except in the home) - so they are just left with testosterone fuelled men running around with no alcohol or sex to came them down, no wonder they are so angry all the time!

I spent some time in Islamabad with a local guy their, they just spent their evenings driving around in an old van talking about how the west is shit - BUT all they wanted to do was to be able to drink and shag (and they think that's what we do all the time), and you NEVER saw a woman out at all, no wonder they are so bloody fundamental.

MikeRJ - 21/9/12 at 12:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
I really really do hate Islam, much more so than any other religion, it just has no redeeming features whatsoever. And I think their main problem is their exclusion of women in all areas of their life (except in the home) - so they are just left with testosterone fuelled men running around with no alcohol or sex to came them down, no wonder they are so angry all the time!

I'm sure there's a lot of truth in that

woodster - 21/9/12 at 06:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ

quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
I really really do hate Islam, much more so than any other religion, it just has no redeeming features whatsoever. And I think their main problem is their exclusion of women in all areas of their life (except in the home) - so they are just left with testosterone fuelled men running around with no alcohol or sex to came them down, no wonder they are so angry all the time!

I'm sure there's a lot of truth in that

How very true

Theshed - 22/9/12 at 08:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain
Scootz,

The problem with yer man Condell is that he affords Islam the title 'a religion.' Big mistake! It's a cult, nothing more. A misguided and dangerous one, (aren't all cults? It's written into their DNA). He also tries to out-zealot the zealots. An impossible task.

The really insidious nature of this cult though, is that it's like a virus operating from within, and like a virus, it'll keep breeding until the host is dead. Sadly, this dim host (the West and UK in particular) is consciously aiding and abetting in its own destruction. In UK, it's been that way since 1948 and the Labour Government's British Nationality Act. Although to be fair, no Government since, has grasped the immigration nettle, despite recognising the threat of its presence.

Check out any reputable demographic study. UK has between 50 and 70 yrs before it becomes a part of the Islamic Caliphate.

Sweet dreams.

[Edited on 20/9/12 by bobinspain]

Hmm it was quite funny when Stephen Fry made that joke but it does not recycle well.

Is it really factually correct that our overseas aid budget is used to build cinemas? No clearly not.

I am very pleased that you have moved to Spain.

[Edited on 22/9/12 by Theshed]

MikeRJ - 22/9/12 at 08:48 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Theshed
Is it really factually correct that our overseas aid budget is used to build cinemas? No clearly not.

Even it it's not actual cinemas the points remains, we are assisting an intrinsically destructive culture. And not only do they destroy themselves they have their targets western cultures as well. I wish I was was in Spain (apart from the heat).

bobinspain - 22/9/12 at 09:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ

quote:
Originally posted by Theshed
Is it really factually correct that our overseas aid budget is used to build cinemas? No clearly not.

Even it it's not actual cinemas the points remains, we are assisting an intrinsically destructive culture. And not only do they destroy themselves they have their targets western cultures as well. I wish I was was in Spain (apart from the heat).

Pearls before swine I'm afraid Mike.
The cinema comment, (as you realised) was an allusion to the fact that it was they and police stations that were being torched as I typed my missive.
There are none so blind---------eh?

bobinspain - 22/9/12 at 09:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Theshed

Hmm it was quite funny when Stephen Fry made that joke but it does not recycle well.

Is it really factually correct that our overseas aid budget is used to build cinemas? No clearly not.

I am very pleased that you have moved to Spain.

[Edited on 22/9/12 by Theshed]

Powerful stuff!

Particularly the line: 'I'm very pleased that you have moved to Spain.' That must have really taxed you? Shame you had to edit, but there again it's a quality line and worth it.

Theshed - 22/9/12 at 09:27 AM

This is fun. First I am a C**T then a swine. All this for suggesting that your suggestion that the UK will be a Caliphate in 50 years time was drivel. Oh ok and my dig at an expat ranting about immigration laws....

Whilst this has been quite amusing it will not get the car finished so I shall bow out. Please feel free to claim the intellectual high ground - yours for the taking.

bobinspain - 22/9/12 at 10:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Theshed
This is fun. First I am a C**T then a swine. All this for suggesting that your suggestion that the UK will be a Caliphate in 50 years time was drivel. Oh ok and my dig at an expat ranting about immigration laws....

Whilst this has been quite amusing it will not get the car finished so I shall bow out. Please feel free to claim the intellectual high ground - yours for the taking.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

Read this.
Good luck with your build.
"Mind the trams." (Tony Hancock).
As we used to say in the RAF, "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined."

scootz - 22/9/12 at 11:13 AM

There is so much apathy surrounding this issue here in the 'west' and I see no sign of it being addressed anytime soon!

Radical islam will almost certainly attain it's goal by stealth... our grandchildren's grandchildren are going to be called Mohammed - and those not called Mohammed (the girls) are going to be treated worse than dirt!

Religion (not just islam) boils my piss!

whitestu - 22/9/12 at 03:13 PM

quote:

Religion (not just islam) boils my piss

Amen to that!

JoelP - 22/9/12 at 05:35 PM

I have become very anti religious this year. I dont mind fairy tales, but when it is causing such trouble and even wars, something needs to be done. All religion needs stamping out, and the world needs educating.

Normally i disagree with bob, but he's bang on the money here. What we call moderate islam is really westernised islam, sanitised with the worst parts removed. If you look far enough abroad, you see how evil it is. It is like a virus because it spreads - once a muslim, always a muslim, on pain of death. Mo himself preached spreading islam by violence. I obviously never met the man myself, but if you read the histories of how it began, with an educated rational point of view, it certainly comes across as a man focused on wealth and power on earth.

I do however believe in the equality of all civilised people, thus migration doesnt offend me particularly. People will always want to better their situation.

And i also appreciate the irony of a post about education containing spelling mistakes

[Edited on 22/9/12 by JoelP]