But not sure about Gordon...........
Tony's finally going
But not sure about Gordon...........
Gordon is not going.
Gordon Brown.... shudder! What a frikkin disgrace to humanity!
Sooner he has a heart attack the better.
I'd rather Blair than Brown! 
Oh well, atleast with Brown at the helm we're garanteed a change of party leading the country at the next election!
EDIT: Not that I particularly *want* the Tories... I just want it too change! Too long in power and they get complacent and corrupt... need to be kept
on their toes with frequent changes!
[Edited on 10/5/07 by James]
Ditto James. I am no Tory, but I may well vote Tory just to get Brown out. There is no way that man should be left in charge of a country - just too scary a thought!
C'mon Daave
quote:
Sooner he has a heart attack the better.
The sad thing is...
that New Labour (even Blair said it was a new party pre '97) really could have done so much good.
They arrived on this wave of good feeling and popularity and had such an opportunity.... but it was all wasted.
What have we had that's worth mentioning after 10 years of Labour in power: minimum wage, Bank of England sets interest rates, and the Irish have
stopped blowing each other up- probably!
Well whoopee do! All that for 10 years of work! 
Makes one want to spit!
Someone seems to have done something, because I don't think your economy has ever been this good. Just an observation from the colonies.
As said above......
Think we should have a general election.....after all, they are supposed to be representing us, elected by us....(assuming non-complacency of
the electorate).....paid for by us....
So....IMHO it should be up to us as a nation, as to whether we actually want Brown to be in the situation of being able to communise and denegrade our
country any further.......
Fozzie
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Originally posted by James
The sad thing is...
that New Labour (even Blair said it was a new party pre '97) really could have done so much good.
They arrived on this wave of good feeling and popularity and had such an opportunity.... but it was all wasted.
What have we had that's worth mentioning after 10 years of Labour in power: minimum wage, Bank of England sets interest rates, and the Irish have stopped blowing each other up- probably!
Well whoopee do! All that for 10 years of work!
Makes one want to spit!
Totally agree with Fozzie, Don't understand why somebody should be given the job on a plate, it should be upto the nation to choose if
anybody.
Rich
its ok putting money in but it has to come from somewhere
if i told you how much i pay in tax you wouldnt believe me
my accountant worked out how much tax i pay last year (inc hidden tax fuel insurance etc etc etc) very scary.
its ok puting money into schools nhs etc what needs to happen is to sort out the single parents in the uk, children being brought up by children,
being given better houses than i can afford to buy and not looking after them, but dont panic labour has given the schools money to give them laptops
to look after as well.
labour seem to want to make everyone equal, but you cant some people are thick some dont want to work some work hard some just want to cliam jam
roll
dont get me wrong they have also done some good
trouble is i have to much money to vote labour but not enough to vote conservative......
[Edited on 10/5/07 by graememk]
Gordon Brown just comes across as such a complete ar$e and by all accounts listens to nobody when it comes to making decisions. I was actually pleased
to see John Reid taking on the thankless task of sorting out the home office but even he can't stomach the thought of reporting to Gordon
Brown...
The only good thing from my point of view as a Conservative voter is that David Cameron should have a much easier time knocking Gordon off his perch
than he would have had with his Tonyness. In fact I'm quite looking forward to Cameron knocking spots off Brown in PM's questions!!
Craig.
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Originally posted by Fozzie
As said above......
Think we should have a general election.....after all, they are supposed to be representing us, elected by us....(assuming non-complacency of the electorate).....paid for by us....
So....IMHO it should be up to us as a nation, as to whether we actually want Brown to be in the situation of being able to communise and denegrade our country any further.......
Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by RichardK
Totally agree with Fozzie, Don't understand why somebody should be given the job on a plate,
Rich
Assuming brown gets the labour party leadership, and handed PM on a plate, there will surly be a general election pretty soon after anyways.
quote:
Originally posted by Lawnmower
Assuming brown gets the labour party leadership, and handed PM on a plate, there will surly be a general election pretty soon after anyways.
Sorry, I am old enough to remember 15 % interest rates and the building trade collapse which also led to me losing my home after 6 years of mortgage
paying.
The tories just let the working man rot while they filled their bank accounts with low wage contracts.
I don't think Labour have got it all right, especially immigration, but I have been able to work for the last 10 years, pay off my debts and
manage to build a car plus buy £11k worth of parts for the next one!
quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
Sorry, I am old enough to remember 15 % interest rates and the building trade collapse which also led to me losing my home after 6 years of mortgage paying.
The tories just let the working man rot while they filled their bank accounts with low wage contracts.
I don't think Labour have got it all right, especially immigration, but I have been able to work for the last 10 years, pay off my debts and manage to build a car plus buy £11k worth of parts for the next one!
quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
Sorry, I am old enough to remember 15 % interest rates and the building trade collapse which also led to me losing my home after 6 years of mortgage paying.
The tories just let the working man rot while they filled their bank accounts with low wage contracts.
I don't think Labour have got it all right, especially immigration, but I have been able to work for the last 10 years, pay off my debts and manage to build a car plus buy £11k worth of parts for the next one!
quote:
Originally posted by James
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
As said above......
Think we should have a general election.....after all, they are supposed to be representing us, elected by us....(assuming non-complacency of the electorate).....paid for by us....
So....IMHO it should be up to us as a nation, as to whether we actually want Brown to be in the situation of being able to communise and denegrade our country any further.......
Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by RichardK
Totally agree with Fozzie, Don't understand why somebody should be given the job on a plate,
Rich
Did you vote for Blair? Somehow I doubt it unless you live in Sedgefield... in this country we vote for our local MP, the party with the most MPs then chooses the Prime Minister (usually the party leader but doesn't *have* to be).
So really, you voted for Brown as much as you did Blair. Unless of course you mis-understood the voting system in this country and chose you local MP based on their party's leader.
I'm sure we could have an American style 'Presidential' system if we really wanted...
[Edited on 10/5/07 by James]
it all started going tits up when blair took us into a war..............thats still going on !
No matter who you vote for the government always get in. Things not been good for me since labour took over. I am working for £8,000 a year less than
i was then and facing redundancy AGAIN
Oh and a couple more things the tories still need to answer for:
The skills shortage we are STILL facing 10 years down the road, even with the vast numbers of appreticeships now being offered, we are well behind.
The economy was so bad that it bankrupted the majority of manufacturing and smaller businesses/companies. (Companies need a stable economy so they can
predict their costs, none moreso than manufacturing companies who have so many variable costs)
Of course you were fine if you were a businessman, or in the stock market, but for the average person what happened was devastating. Would you
seriously consider re-electing a party, still containing many of the cronies responsible for the major cock up last time, back into power, to be faced
with the possibility of the same crisis happening in 5 years? Please dont, I'll be on the housing market then...
I have to vote for the party and the leader cos my local MPs do jack poo 
So it doesn't really matter who I vote for at a local level.....
I think Blair's an arrogant tosspot who should have resigned long ago for the whole Iraq BS. I can't think of any other leader who would
completely undermine the UN
ignore the general consensus of the member states
ignore a large proportion of his own countries population
invade a country on a premise that later was proved to be wrong
and yet still have the gall to stay leader....
what really seems unfair is that in a few years time he'll be earning big bucks on lecture tours (or more likely as MD of one of Bush PLCs
multinational companies) whilst his legacy continues in Iraq with British men and women dying just so he could chum up to Bush (probably so he'd
given him the job in the first place).......
The fact that New Labour have right royally shagged up so many golden opportunities is frustrating. They've blindly thrown tax payers money into
turning the whole country in a load of civil servants following ridiculous protocols, targets and edicts from above. Their approach to the NHS has
been ridiculous. They're selling chunks of it of to the private sector quicker than you can say "privatisation", they've got
themselves even deeper with PPI, whilst all the time meddling so much with the bits they haven't sold off that they stop working as well.....
If Brown can't make decisions I'll be happy!!! Better than Blair and his chronies who think they know the answer to everything and delve
into stuff they know jz about... Sometimes more paperwork, more bureucracy, more administrators and more protocols isn't what's needed, its
just letting people get on and work!!!!
Oh well! Happy day!!
quote:
Originally posted by James
quote:
Originally posted by Lawnmower
Assuming brown gets the labour party leadership, and handed PM on a plate, there will surly be a general election pretty soon after anyways.
Only if Brown thinks he can win it.... and at the moment he can't if the poles are correct.
If things start going well for Labour we'll see an election early (Brown then gets 4 or 5 years from the date of the win) if not, then Brown will drag the current term out to 5 years to keep himself in power as long as possible. So potentially we got him till May 2010.
shudder!
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Originally posted by flak monkey
A rediculous amount of money plowed into the NHS and schools, trying to undo the state they were left in 10 years ago.
David
Tony Benn for PM!
personally being of a younger generation than all of you i hate labour cause they have caused 2 wars in the east that in my opinion have made
terrorism in the next 10 years much worse than it was ever going to be from the east and not to mention they were drity and wrong wars aswell.
vote lib dem maybe they did well in the last election, but i dont kno of any of there policies. personally none of the major parties run here in
n.ireland so anyone i would ever vote for wont make a massive change to the goverment
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Originally posted by goodall
personally being of a younger generation than all of you i hate labour cause they have caused 2 wars in the east that in my opinion have made terrorism in the next 10 years much worse than it was ever going to be from the east and not to mention they were drity and wrong wars aswell.
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
Sorry, I am old enough to remember 15 % interest rates and the building trade collapse which also led to me losing my home after 6 years of mortgage paying.
The tories just let the working man rot while they filled their bank accounts with low wage contracts.
I don't think Labour have got it all right, especially immigration, but I have been able to work for the last 10 years, pay off my debts and manage to build a car plus buy £11k worth of parts for the next one!
Exactly, all links back to what I said earlier. Whatever you do, you cant please everyone. Tell me one good thing the tories managed, which gains them any credibility for the financial ruin they left this country and most of its population in?
[Edited on 10/5/07 by flak monkey]
I dont think it matters who gets into power Labour or Tories your still going to get shafted.
Quote "A stable economy with almost 60 consecutive quarters of growth, something the conservatives NEVER manged in 18 odd years.
Implementation of a floating exchange rate mechanism, one of the main key reasons we havent had huge interest rates and inflation in the past 10 years
and such a stable economy."
I seem to remember interest rates of 15% and two devaluations under a previous Labour administration when the British economy was in hock to the
World Bank. The main reason the economy is so relatively good today is the handing over of the setting of interest rates to the professionals at the
Bank of England.
If Labour are so good at handling the economy (and therefore the NHS ), why does that family have to appeal for money to send their kid to America?
After 10 years the "Mess that the Tories left" excuse is wearing a little thin.
Tory achievement ? How about wresting back control of the country from the unions and defence of the right NOT to join a union. And at least the
servicemen in the Falklands had enough flak (sorry David ) jackets to go round
What I can't stomach is being lied to ( WMD etc), the blatant sale of honours, the action in Iraq while refusing to do anything about Zimbabwe,
the suspension of Habeas Corpus and the presmption of innocent until proven guilty.
And most of all what I can't stomach is the complete lack of honour and personal responsibility amongst those who you would hope would set a
good example to the rest of us. - Police Chiefs (essentially a political appointment) whose men shoot dead innocent Brazilians, Home Secretaries who
can't tell you how many illegal immigrants there are in this country but lock up people who just might be associated with terrorists,
Chancellors of the Exchequer who lie about the advice they have received from the bank of England - have any of these resigned?
It seems that saying " Sorry, I blew it " is enough and then you carry on as before.
All right, the last years of the Tory govenment under Major were sleaze-ridden but at least Major (a weak man promoted beyond his abilities) was a
decent person. Show me a decent Labour politician today and it's got to be Dennis Skinner or Tony Benn. There aren't many others.
edit
Isn't it nice to have a good rant now and then ?
[Edited on 10/5/07 by Macbeast]
Just a quick question, how many of you would bother too vote ? OK 2 quick questions, how many of you voted in the recent local elections ?
The two main parties are now so close together it wouldn't make that much difference who got in. somtimes its better the devil you know.
A few observations, My missus is in hospital again, she was seen within minutes, on a ward in 30 minutes and too be honest the care as been 1st
class.
Two run down schools I drive past too work have both been knocked down and brand new ones re built.
My mortgage rate is not in double figures.
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Just a quick question, how many of you would bother too vote ? OK 2 quick questions, how many of you voted in the recent local elections ?
The two main parties are now so close together it wouldn't make that much difference who got in. somtimes its better the devil you know.
A few observations, My missus is in hospital again, she was seen within minutes, on a ward in 30 minutes and too be honest the care as been 1st class.
Two run down schools I drive past too work have both been knocked down and brand new ones re built.
My mortgage rate is not in double figures.
I can only say it as I see it.......
How many more nurses are there now than 1997 ?
Whilst loads of money as been poured in there is not a bottomless pit, like we at home they all have too run too a budget, do we blame the government
whoever it is if funds are mismanaged ? I'm not going too say things are perfect, there not, but my partner as had a long term life threatening
illness, the treatment of which as been second too none, including the excellent dedicated nursing staff.
my 8 year old has Rheumatoid Arthritis
and his treatment was second too none. shes worked at there for years and now theres a lot of cut backs and job losses.
so i can only put it down the the government for not sorting things out. and thats why a lot of nursing staff are moving to australia because of the
mess its in.
adam
A little revolution every now and then is a healthy thing - I don't think it does any harm for the balance of power to tip back and forth every
now and then. Otherwise how will we really know which way is better?
Some of the things which really pi$$ me off are things like prisoners claiming that their human rights are violated by not being allowed to vote.
Utter nutsack - "civilian" rights suspended maybe but as a prisoner you are no longer a civilian. Human rights as far as I am concerned
protect things like your rights to live, be fed and not be tortured. There should be a fast track way of plugging holes like this where the MP's
just need a majority vote including the PM and maybe the Queen (just for fun) and then they can avoid wasting tax payer's money debating with
prisoners in court over their right to vote.
I also believe that prison is no place for a fine defaulter when there aren't enough prison places for serious offenders. I think prisons are way
too soft, especially on the serious offenders who treat it like a home away from home and rule the roost more so than some of the officers. I know
most prison officers are honest and do their best but the system make their job very difficult indeed and the odd bad apple makes it nigh on
impossible.
I would like clearer laws about protecting yourself in your own home to the point where an intruder has no legal rights if he enters your home without
consent None of this "reasonable force" nonsense!
Another thing which really gets on my wick (and this may not be popular with some of you) are people who think it is their god given right to go on
strike if they don't get a big enough pay rise. Is it any wonder why the UK has slipped behind many developing nations in the global economy with
this sort of attitude.
Other things which bug me are the proliferation of speed camera and speed bumps which the Conservatives have said they will stop. Immigration is also
a joke. Oh yeah and Cameron is also pledging to remove the crazy league tables and targets from the health service to let medical professionals make
the key decisions and actually get on with caring for patients.
I've been really impressed with David Cameron. He is clearly a skilled politician and with a bit more seasoning I think he can become an good
leader. Let's face it, he can't be any worse than Brown!
[Edited on 10/5/2007 by craig1410]
i like blair myself, but he has made a few bad calls - to me his worst mistake is his role in the human rights act. I cant tell you his exact
contribution but whoever worded it needs shooting!
Im prepared to give GB a chance myself, an early election would be foolish, equally leaving it a few months is no use as he can fill that with
gimmicks to gain popularity. A year or more gives us time to see the man in action, and lets face it, in general elections you are really voting for
the leader, whatever the technicalities are.
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
I can only say it as I see it.......
How many more nurses are there now than 1997 ?
Whilst loads of money as been poured in there is not a bottomless pit, like we at home they all have too run too a budget, do we blame the government whoever it is if funds are mismanaged ? I'm not going too say things are perfect, there not, but my partner as had a long term life threatening illness, the treatment of which as been second too none, including the excellent dedicated nursing staff.
The swirly ice cream, I don't know if you know, was invented by Margaret Thatcher, when she studied chemistry at Oxford. Just one of the wonderful things she did before she was betrayed.
quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
. Just one of the wonderful things she did before she was betrayed.
This Government - more national debt, low reserves, more/higher taxes, student fees in England not Scotland, human rights laws, devolving of UK power
to (unelected) Brussels, overcrowded prisons (referendum on bringing back the rope), filthy hospitals (and bankrupt trusts) - 80% of new hospitals in
Labour wards, bullshit on green issues, out of control immigration, complete disregard for electorate, more and more civil service personnel (how
labour justify reducing unemployed), 7 million on disability allowance (that's 1 in of the population - where are they all!!!!!!), cash for
honours, Iraq (though I agree Sadam got what he needed). List is endless
Tories won't be much better. Before Dave got voted leader he drove the same car as me - ZT260. Now he's got a windmill. Blokes another one
who says what he thinks we want to hear.
As far as I'm concerned we need Guy Fawkes back.
What I do want to know is why all students seem to think the labour party is "good". A friend of mine went to Uni, came out a labour voter.
Thinks this lot is a bunch of tossers!
ATB
Simon
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Originally posted by Simon
What I do want to know is why all students seem to think the labour party is "good". A friend of mine went to Uni, came out a labour voter. Thinks this lot is a bunch of tossers!
ATB
Simon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/evandavis/2007/05/tony_blairs_economic_legacy_1.html
Make of it what you will. You can't deny the economy is in extremely good shape.
I'll stay out of the Thatcher arguments, the funs gone from those
personally i feel theres no need in having a stable economy if the PM is dragging your country into wars that we have no place to be in.
but every system of government on the face of this planet was set up by terrorists and minority that forced there system of government on the people,
so maybe Afghanistan should have been left alone, personally i feel it was wrong what was going on there but we have no place to intervene, after all
the only reason we think it is wrong is because we have been rared in a western society and it is unfair for us to force our systems of government and
law and trade on to other countries if their leaders dont want it. ok so maybe its good to bring stability to the east but the only reason is to make
life more secure here
however im only 16 and i still dont have fully rounded political mind (like anyone ever does)
personally dont much like labour as i dont come from a working class background, but then again its always the middle class get screwed so there never
will be government in my favour
[Edited on 11/5/07 by goodall]
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/evandavis/2007/05/tony_blairs_economic_legacy_1.html
Make of it what you will. You can't deny the economy is in extremely good shape.
I'll stay out of the Thatcher arguments, the funs gone from those
that made me chuckle.
I forgot.
Giving greater central government funding to Labour areas, resulting in unfair council tax bills for the rest of us, Gordon Brown introducing the
Insurance Premium Tax, raiding pension funds and taxing them - resulting in the closure of most decent company pensions, falsifying the inflation rate
(which exludes the two major cost increases for householders - gas and electric) Include these and inflation is nearer 7%.
Then there's the threat of bigbrother (we might as well have chips installed in our heads!!!), speed camera revenue raisers (including the
cancellation of a Governement funded report into effectiveness of cameras because it wasn't looking to go Bliars way.
ATB
Simon
quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
The swirly ice cream, I don't know if you know, was invented by Margaret Thatcher, when she studied chemistry at Oxford. Just one of the wonderful things she did before she was betrayed.
"Her party was also responsible for destroying the manufacturing industry in this country she was a cow!"
Like the current shower have helped. Unless you're in Wales or Scotland where Gordy sends lots of money so they can give it to enterprising
souls!!
ATB
Simon