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novacaine - 8/1/07 at 06:18 PM

what engines, appart from the old x-flow can fit into the Book chassis without headaches like bonnet bulges and modified sumps like with the pinto, something with reasonable power/tuning potential and is not too expensive and not rare

cheers

Matt


BenB - 8/1/07 at 06:19 PM

Aha! The search for the Holy Grail


novacaine - 8/1/07 at 06:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Aha! The search for the Holy Grail



that difficult eh?

lol

Matt


graememk - 8/1/07 at 06:21 PM

i bike engine />?


big_wasa - 8/1/07 at 06:21 PM

Cheep and cheerfull is the sierra 1.8cvh.

And free with the correct donnor.


Jon Ison - 8/1/07 at 06:23 PM

I would start by saying something form a bike.

If its a CEC your after then the VX Red top takes some beating for imho.


novacaine - 8/1/07 at 06:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
If its a CEC your after then the VX Red top takes some beating for imho.




what gearbox can you mount that to?


flak monkey - 8/1/07 at 06:26 PM

The pinto is easy, you can mod the sump etc yourself. X-flow is easiest requiring no mods and its a very light little engine too.

The bike engines need their sumps modding as they are mounted transverse in a bike and longitudinal in a seven, same with many newer 16v engines including the zetec and red top. And almost all bike and 16v engines have ali sumps which you cant mod yourself unless you have an AC tig... Oh and you will either need bike carbs or and after market injection/throttle body system for most injection car engines which can be big bucks

David

[Edited on 8/1/07 by flak monkey]


novacaine - 8/1/07 at 06:26 PM

any suggestions on specific bike engines to look out for ?

i would love a hayabusa but i cant afford the 1500 price tag lol

car or bike engined im open minded at the miniute but ultimatley its going to be a vs Power decision


BenB - 8/1/07 at 06:30 PM

I'd agree BEC is the way to go for cheap poke per pound.... R1 seems to be flavour of the month at the moment. Cheap, good power output and not very prone to going pop....
Most bike engines are already fairly highly tuned though so not much room for extra tuning potential (unless you start throwing money at Holeshot)...

I'd agree with the VX red top for a CEC. Lots of cheap tuning parts thanks to the number of GM motors out there using them, shouldn't be at all hard to find a bellhousing to mount to a type 9 gearbox etc....

Thought if I was going CEC I'd go for a Duratec because (as a new-ish engine) they already have a fair number of ponies and the outputs of tuned Duratec engines is increasing all the time....

You could go Honda VTEC. After all, if they fitted on in the front of a Mini, a locost shouldn't be a problem.... And the Jap tuning scene should provide lots of tuning goodies, and the VTEC provides flexibility.... Only trouble might be finding a bellhousing to attach to a type 9.... And some Honda engines rotate the wrong way relative to most engines.....

[Edited on 8/1/07 by BenB]


graememk - 8/1/07 at 06:31 PM

because of your budget i'd get a xflow then think about a zetec upgrade later on using the same gear box


t.j. - 8/1/07 at 06:32 PM

oh o,

This could end up in a discussion:

BEC

CEC

I'm using the DOHC
just make the sump shorter and use the MT75. But a lot modifing to the chassis.


novacaine - 8/1/07 at 06:33 PM

one last question, other than the mk1/2 escorts, what can i get a xflow out of?

the escorts can now fetch 1k so for me there well out of the question...


David Jenkins - 8/1/07 at 06:35 PM

Don't forget the Toyota 4AGE engine - 1600cc, about 130BHP out of the box (I believe) and the core of the engine is about the same size as the crossflow. Unfortunately the add-ons bulk up the size and make a bit hard to fit in, but many people manage to do it with a bit of work.

A very whizzy engine that goes well in such a light car.

David


ecosse - 8/1/07 at 06:38 PM

quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
one last question, other than the mk1/2 escorts, what can i get a xflow out of?

the escorts can now fetch 1k so for me there well out of the question...


I wouldn't bother with a crossflow these days, zetec is cheaper eaiser to come by, tough and supplies more ponies, it is also lighter than the pinto will bolt on to a type9 or MT75, what more could you want

Cheers
Alex


ch1ll1 - 8/1/07 at 06:39 PM

i might have a fireblade 918 engine up for sale with loom dyno jetted,exhaust (mk), ETC, for the right price


BenB - 8/1/07 at 06:41 PM

som ething like this link

would be the thing to go for if you're going CEC....
It's already attached to a type 9 gearbox, its got the Webers already attached....
Looks pretty read to go...

Can't understand with the obsession with Webers. Yes, they look beautiful, yes, they sound great... But they're not the best for fuel economy! I saw one BEC that had the 90s carbs ripped off to be replaced with 60s Weber technology.... Cost an arm and a leg and didn't make any difference!!!


Jon Ison - 8/1/07 at 06:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by novacaine
any suggestions on specific bike engines to look out for ?

i would love a hayabusa but i cant afford the 1500 price tag lol

car or bike engined im open minded at the miniute but ultimatley its going to be a vs Power decision


Search and you will pick up a blade for a 1/3rd of that, it wont need any sump mods and will put plenty of smiles on your face.


Hellfire - 8/1/07 at 06:46 PM

Show me the Busa engine for 1,500. I'll take two.

Phil


Danozeman - 8/1/07 at 06:47 PM

Iv got a zetec with type 9 in my book chassis. The only mod is taller bodywork.

Bike carbs and megajolt, away you go.


Jon Ison - 8/1/07 at 06:52 PM

Put this one in...........


BenB - 8/1/07 at 06:53 PM

http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Main.htm

do bellhousings to fit the VX to a type 9 BTW....


BenB - 8/1/07 at 06:55 PM

I'd like to see the tacho graph before I believe the "1600BHP R34 Nissan Skyline" claim. After all, what to most rolling roads go up to???
I suppose it's possible if you're prepared to put up with obscene amounts of turbo lag.......


doughie - 8/1/07 at 06:56 PM

if ya see a blade for 250 - give us a shout!


Jon Ison - 8/1/07 at 07:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by doughie
if ya see a blade for 250 - give us a shout!



You missed out, recently sold one for 300, only needed carbs.


andylancaster3000 - 8/1/07 at 07:14 PM

quote:


Can't understand with the obsession with Webers. Yes, they look beautiful, yes, they sound great... But they're not the best for fuel economy! I saw one BEC that had the 90s carbs ripped off to be replaced with 60s Weber technology.... Cost an arm and a leg and didn't make any difference!!!



Sidedraught/dcoe webers can be fairly economical. All depends on how well they are set up and driven. Driving back from the 'ring in the summer we were managing 35miles/gallon in a 1700cc x-flow engined escort. Admittadly being driven fairly carefully!


On the engine front; if your on a budget and want an engine lighter, more powerful and these days probably cheaper than a x-flow go for a 1600CVH. Fits very easily into a book chassis too. Probably biased on that one though

If I were to upgrade from that I'd go for a 4age. A very revvy, compact engine. Available and cheap as they are always being pulled from rotten Mk1 mr2's, often with less than 100k on the clock.

As you can tell, a CEC man. Well definetly for the road anyway.

HTH,
Andy

[Edited on 8/1/07 by andylancaster3000]

[Edited on 8/1/07 by andylancaster3000]


whitestu - 8/1/07 at 07:18 PM

For cheap I agree with Big_wasa.

1.8 CVH in totally standard trim gives about 90BHP which is plenty to start with in a locost.
My indy goes quite well with one, ann IMHO its a lot better than a rattly old crossflow unless you want to spend lots of money tuning.

Stu


daviep - 8/1/07 at 07:47 PM

The Kawasaki ZX11/ZZR1100 is worth a look in my opinion. It was produced for 12 years so there are plenty to be had for around 500 mark. They've got a nice big clutch as standard and they're 147hp. Value for money if you ask me. Watch out for "running" N0.3 big end though.

Davie

[Edited on 8/1/07 by daviep]


IainB - 8/1/07 at 08:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by BenB

Can't understand with the obsession with Webers. Yes, they look beautiful, yes, they sound great... But they're not the best for fuel economy!


And you are building a 7 because?

Kind Regards,
Iain


froggy - 8/1/07 at 09:51 PM

if you want a bike engine get a cbr100f or a zx10 ,i bought a complete zx10 road legal for 600 which has all the bits i need and last week i picked up a cbr1000f with scuffed panels for 375 ,both a bit lardy but cheaper than most car engines once you,ve got them running