BenB
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| posted on 15/1/07 at 10:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Volvorsport
somebody should buy it for the lotus chassis number then rebuild that - use the lightweight as a track day car until it falls to pieces .
You want to use a leightweight on a track? Brave man!!!
The whole situation is ridiculous. It's not even an original engine- its a Pinto. I suspect he had the Lightweight finished before he found the
Lotus chassis.... Ahem....
If the new car was based upon a proven chassis I wouldn't mind. But to make a car with known engineering problems, not MOT it, not put it
through SVA, not keep it to drive (ie only risk your own life) but instead to flog it on Ebay putting some suckers life at risk just sucks (to put it
mildly).
If someone bought it, the car crashed due this plonker's ineptitude and deceipt and that person died wouldn't he be up for manslaughter?
After all his actions (ringing motors) resulted in someone else's death. Then again, you could say he sold it on knowing it had problems so
it's premeditated!!!
What a git!!! 
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iank
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| posted on 15/1/07 at 10:45 AM |
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Not to mention that a lightweight would be a poor choice for trackday car.
They are around 600kg with a Zetec, presumably a few kg more with a pinto.
Also if you did crash it would be pretty much impossible to repair. No idea if they are safe in a crash (well as safe as a spaceframe).
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andyps
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| posted on 15/1/07 at 02:24 PM |
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I can see where he is coming from - but he is totally wrong. Example 1 is correct, but does not apply to his car. It would be OK (I think) if he had
kept a few of the original tubes and replaced any which were rotten - after all this is what happens to a lot of cars when undergoing restoration
anyway. As for the engine, yes that would be OK if it was in an original spec chassis, but it isn't so that doesn't work.
As for his example 2, as far as I am aware the person doing that to a Clio would actually be breaking the rules - it would be sufficient alteration to
the chassis as to mean it should have an SVA test. I know most would not do this, but close reading of the rules shows this to be the case -
effectively by making the change to mid-engined sufficient to be classed as a new chassis.
Overall though, pretty daft thing to do as the time spent repairing a genuine Lotus chassis would have been more than repaid in resale value.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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martyn_16v
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| posted on 15/1/07 at 03:19 PM |
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Do the bidders stop being anonymous once the auction finishes? I'm not used to this new system ebay have yet, but some fine upstanding and
clearly concerned citizen could possibly send a message to the winning bidder (and the rest of them as well) pointing them towards this and the RH
thread, just in case they aren't aware of what they are getting in to.....
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 15/1/07 at 03:38 PM |
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I was wandering about this sort of thing the other night... i was watching an edition of Wheeler Dealers on sky, they had a VW beetle that was rotten
and decided to turn it into a beach buggy-- no problems there...
But the chassis was rotten so they junked it and bought a new one (getting a little dubious now) But the chassis they bought was a special shortened
one.... surely they now need an SVA ?
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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iank
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| posted on 15/1/07 at 03:49 PM |
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I think that current opinion is that shortened chassis beach buggies (SWB) need an SVA. A lot of manufacturers are now making LWB models which use an
unchopped one.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 15/1/07 at 04:48 PM |
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He has simply built a Robin Hood Lightweight, and slapped a Lotus VIN plate on it. He has not, by any stretch of the imagination
"rebuilt" a Lotus.
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andyps
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| posted on 15/1/07 at 09:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveFJ
I was wandering about this sort of thing the other night... i was watching an edition of Wheeler Dealers on sky, they had a VW beetle that was rotten
and decided to turn it into a beach buggy-- no problems there...
But the chassis was rotten so they junked it and bought a new one (getting a little dubious now) But the chassis they bought was a special shortened
one.... surely they now need an SVA ?
If a beetle floorpan/chassis is shortened then the car built on it needs an SVA test, if the resulting car is built on a complete floorpan then it
doesn't.
I don't know for sure, but a shortie mini or beetle as on another thread presumably should have an SVA.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Aboardman
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| posted on 16/1/07 at 12:46 PM |
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since this post was first started the price of the car has gone up from £1800 to £2800 
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iank
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| posted on 16/1/07 at 12:52 PM |
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With 4.5 days to go...
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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andyps
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| posted on 16/1/07 at 01:48 PM |
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I guess if it is cheap enough you could buy it, get a genuine lotus chassis (replica from Arch motors) and build the car back up from that and then
sell it as what the registration says, and maybe still make money. Not that I am suggesting that would be legal - but it would be better than the
current car.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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JoelP
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| posted on 16/1/07 at 01:56 PM |
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his best bet would've been to keep a photo diary of the 'rebuild' and make his own replacement chassis, identical to the original.
That would've been much more legal IMHO.
[Edited on 16/1/07 by JoelP]
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iank
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| posted on 16/1/07 at 02:04 PM |
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Unfortunately also very easy to steal a real one and put this reg onto it and have an un-SVAed Lightweight to go back onto ebay. 
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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DIY Si
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| posted on 19/1/07 at 09:26 PM |
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This has just ended, and hopefully didn't sell. The robin hood folk seems just as concerned, if not more so than "we" do about it.
Lets hope it didn't sell, and as such saved someone from a premature ending.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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t.j.
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| posted on 19/1/07 at 11:51 PM |
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It will be exported to stupid countries like the Netherlands.
Oh no, i'm dutch........
Not every country has a kitcar story.
So you could fool somebody easily.
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Marcus
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| posted on 20/1/07 at 11:02 AM |
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Bloody hell, a thread where everyone agrees - put the flags out!!
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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Metal Hippy
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 06:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Marcus
Bloody hell, a thread where everyone agrees - put the flags out!!
I disagree with Marcus on principle. 
Cock off or cock on. You choose.
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