flak monkey
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:33 PM |
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Speed limit on country roads to be cut...
Like its going to make the least bit of difference.... 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/03/09/speed-limits-on-country-roads-are-to-be-cut-to-50mph-115875-21183691/
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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dinosaurjuice
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:40 PM |
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from article:
"But when you compare that to the fact we are killing 3,000 people a year on our roads, it would be irresponsible not to do something about
it."
someone i know (he lent me an engine crane) died of MRSA last year, along with the other 3499. one week after he was given the all clear from a brain
tumour. 
[Edited on 9/3/09 by dinosaurjuice]
[Edited on 9/3/09 by dinosaurjuice]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:46 PM |
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I also noticed a headline in the Metro (London freebie paper) this morning - motorists will soon face speed cameras without any form of warning (e.g.
no longer painted yellow, etc.)
No idea how accurate that claim is...
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phoenix70
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:46 PM |
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Talk about idiots, they put all these speed cameras up, that are forcing a certain type of driver to use the rural road rather than the main road,
now they are going to reduce the limit (which face there is no way they will be able to enforce, unless they put more cameras up)
What about give motorist something back, by upping the speed limit on motorways and duals to 80 or so.
Its about time they admitted that it isn't the speed thats the problem, but the ability of the drivers that's the problem.
Cheers
Scott
[Edited on 9/3/09 by phoenix70]
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Agriv8
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:47 PM |
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It will make little difference IMHO.
but it will
increase revenue speed camera's( oh these will be point to point devices )
save money as the road surface will not need to be maintained ( not that it anyway )
why not increase the standard of driving rather than tar us all with the same brush.
[Edited on 9/3/09 by Agriv8]
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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flak monkey
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:58 PM |
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It is totally unreasonable in my opinion. Talking about cutting the speed limit on over 2/3 of the uk's roads and speed accounts for
'only' 29% of accidents.
What's the likelihood that those people speeding excessively which resulted in an accident would have been slowed down by a reduction in the
speed limit?
Cut in carbon emmissions? Thats rubbish as well. Most modern cars are set up to be most efficient at 60-80mph.
I am just waiting for some politician to bring up fitting point to point speed cameras on all the major roads.
Its getting silly. Blame the motorist for everything... All the political parties are the same. I reckon if someone started up a party to support
motorists they would get a lot of support.
If I get half the chance I am outa here...
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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hughpinder
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:02 PM |
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"Ministers say it will improve safety on single-lane rural roads, where they believe there is a particular problem with speeding cars
overtaking."
So if you reduce the speed limit, the 'speeding cars' will catch up with even more cars and overtake even more times.....
Perhaps they should ban overtaking!
Seriously though, I am amazed how many people now overtake me on blind bends and approaching the brows of hills - It used to be rare (and I dont drive
slow - obviously not exceeding 60 officier). I probably do emergency brakes 5 or 6 times a year to let people in who have completely misjudged their
overtaking point, and it has reached the point where I can see far enough ahead to know the're not going to make it. Last year I nearly had a
nasty accident as the bloke coming towards me and overtaking a queue, while going up a hill over a blind summit, decided that he could make it past
another 3 cars and an artic after I saw him (with pulling in places between each). He smashed the side of his car into the artic trailer rear wheels,
the bonnet was torn off and thrown over the top of my car. I was effectivly stationary on the grass as close to the hedge as I could get, and he still
only missed me by a couple of inches. He didn't bother to stop.
I dont believe this will make any difference to the accident figures.
Hugh
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hellbent345
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:04 PM |
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same here, this country is going from bad to worse. As soon as i get my degree im out of this sh*thole. And i hope my feelings are shared by most
other people, and we show them our feelings with our feet. Where would the jobsworths be without the taxes coming from the ordinary man? no fu*king
where that where.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hellbent345
As soon as i get my degree im out of this sh*thole.
So where are you planning to go? Do tell us, as I am sure there will be plenty here who would like to know where this magic country with jobs and no
speed limits is
John
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smart51
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
It is totally unreasonable in my opinion. Talking about cutting the speed limit on over 2/3 of the uk's roads and speed accounts for
'only' 29% of accidents.
.. and of those 29% I've have thought many are people doing 90 in a 60 or doing 60 but in the snow.
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Cut in carbon emmissions? Thats rubbish as well. Most modern cars are set up to be most efficient at 60-80mph.
No, that's rubbish. It has nothing to do with "set up". A car uses more engery to cover the same ground at higher speed. The
faster you go, the worse MPG you will do. Inefficiencies at low speeds mean there is a broad peak MPG for your car, it may be around 20 MPH or around
40 MPH but it is safe to say that above 50 MPH, every increase in speed will increase fuel consumption per unit of distance.
On the brighter side, every authoritarian measure Brown's government introduce will make them less popular and so more likely to lose the next
election. Not that the greasy weasle of the other lot will be any better.
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adithorp
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:44 PM |
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"...As soon as i get my degree..."
Can we assume from that that your not one of these?
"...taxes coming from the ordinary man? ..."
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:51 PM |
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It will increase road deaths. 50 limit = more overtaking by frustrated drivers= more head on smashes = more deaths.
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow © 
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
"...As soon as i get my degree..."
Can we assume from that that your not one of these?
"...taxes coming from the ordinary man? ..."
adrian
I would assume that in the future he'll be in a high tax band and will be paying back his student loans well above the rate of inflation. 3
years of reduced taxation (remember he still pays car/fuel tax on the topic of driving) compared to paying more tax than the average individual for
the rest of his life 
Craig
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:57 PM |
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It doesn’t make any difference how efficient your car gets, if its going twice as fast it will always use at least 4 times as much energy, usually a
lot more. You can't get round that.
It also means that cars that are tested at 35mph are also subject to four times as much energy in a 70mph crash. That’s why I'd say the speed
limit shouldn't be raised, even on motorways as if you did then almost all crashes would be fatal. The brakes and handling of modern cars may be
vastly better than in the past but no cars been built yet to make a 70mph crash survivable, far less a 80 or 90mph one.
Do you not remember this
60 mph crash test
[Edited on 9/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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02GF74
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 02:35 PM |
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errr, have you not asked yourself where the money to fund the failed banks is going to come from?
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 02:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
It doesn’t make any difference how efficient your car gets, if its going twice as fast it will always use at least 4 times as much energy, usually a
lot more. You can't get round that.
Right, but the efficiency of a petrol engine is not constant!
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 03:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
It doesn’t make any difference how efficient your car gets, if its going twice as fast it will always use at least 4 times as much energy, usually a
lot more. You can't get round that.
Right, but the efficiency of a petrol engine is not constant!
It doesn't matter if it’s a petrol engine, jet or a rocket traveling in space. Just a law of kinetic energy that’s all. Even if the engine was
at the same optimum rpm at both speeds (say with gearing designed for each speed for a test) it would still be using at least four times a the fuel at
twice the speed. Add the air resistance also going up four times and the tyre drag being doubled.
My main point is that crashes at normal country road speeds, the 60mph limit now, are usually not survivable by even modern cars, especially if its
into oncoming traffic or tree's etc
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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rf900rush
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 04:17 PM |
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We will be screwed more and more until enough of our people do something else other that complain. (just like I'm doing now).
And I think we can all be pushed alot more before we break.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 05:13 PM |
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They tried to exend the 30mph limit down my road to 40mph, outside my house and the police objected so the council gave up.
The gist of the police report was as we cannot enforce the limit then there is no gain in extending the zone.
So will this make any difference, NO!
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mr henderson
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 06:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mr henderson
quote:
Originally posted by hellbent345
As soon as i get my degree im out of this sh*thole.
So where are you planning to go? Do tell us, as I am sure there will be plenty here who would like to know where this magic country with jobs and no
speed limits is
John
Just in case Hellbent missed this question last time he was here, I thought I would ask it again
(I think I know what the answer is, though)...........nowhere
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flak monkey
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 07:00 PM |
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There are a lot of good oportunities if you have the appropriate qual's overseas. Australia and New Zealand are crying out for engineering
graduates and professionals.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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mr henderson
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 07:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
There are a lot of good oportunities if you have the appropriate qual's overseas. Australia and New Zealand are crying out for engineering
graduates and professionals.
David
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Australia
http://wikitravel.org/en/Driving_in_New_Zealand
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flak monkey
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 07:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Cut in carbon emmissions? Thats rubbish as well. Most modern cars are set up to be most efficient at 60-80mph.
No, that's rubbish. It has nothing to do with "set up". A car uses more engery to cover the same ground at higher speed. The
faster you go, the worse MPG you will do. Inefficiencies at low speeds mean there is a broad peak MPG for your car, it may be around 20 MPH or around
40 MPH but it is safe to say that above 50 MPH, every increase in speed will increase fuel consumption per unit of distance.
Okie dokie. I of course know that more speed requires more energy its an irrefutable principal of physics!
What I meant was most modern cars achieve higher fuel economies on a fastish motorway cruise than stuck behind someone doing 40-50mph - due to they
way most people drive in this situation. Take my mini as an example, a decent journey averaging 60-70mph sees the fuel efficiency up at 40mpg. Most of
what I get out here stuck behind someone dawdling along at 40-50mph I am lucky if I get 30mpg (an no thats not because I overtake every one of
them)
Its all down to how the fuel map is set up in the cars. They have an incredibly lean (16:1 or even higher in some cases) cruising rpm, which is deemed
to be 60+mph in top gear so you get higher mpg and therfore less carbon emmisions as on the same journey at 50mph in the same gear (you will have used
more fuel to cover the same distance).
You can of course get around this in your style of driving, by keeping the engine in that peak efficiency rev range. But how many people know where
that is? I bet *most* people think the higher gear you are in the better and let their engines labour and use more fuel than if they changed down a
notch....
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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flak monkey
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 07:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mr henderson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Australia
http://wikitravel.org/en/Driving_in_New_Zealand
Yep, pretty much the same as they are over here at the moment. 60 on normal roads, 70 on motorways and 30 in built up areas. Also a darn sight less
speed scameras.
Its not just the constant attacks on the motorists that makes people angry. Its the build up of lots of different things which push people to leave.
Granted many countries are in the same position at the moment with the 'global economic crisis' but when things look up there are better
places to be than the UK, with less tax, higher standard of living, a more laid back/friendlier culture etc etc.
At the end of the day its down to what you as an individual wants. There are patriots who still think Britain is Great but we have become such a
diluted version of what we were it really doesnt matter any more. We seem to be happier to stand up and say 'look at us arent we such great
failures' rather than 'look at what we have done well' which really annoys me the most. Its this negativity, which is perpetrated
largely by the media, which depresses everyone.
The UK is a joke TBH, it would be nice to see it turned around (and maybe in my lifetime it will be) and made great at something again. We just need
to stop pandering to some of the PC rubbish, start making our OWN decisions on whats best for OUR economy and building the country back up.
Well that was a ramble!
Back to the main point, it would be nice if they stopped picking on motorists like we are criminals and to blame for everything which is wrong in the
world and start giving us something back.
I reckon if someone had the guts to start up a political party supporting motorists they would get a lot of support.
David
[Edited on 9/3/09 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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mr henderson
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 07:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
I reckon if someone had the guts to start up a political party supporting motorists they would get a lot of support.
Been going since 1992, are you in it?
http://www.abd.org.uk/
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