gr8ging
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 07:27 PM |
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Boo Hoo!
 I have my SVA booked for the 23rd March, this coming monday, and I can't get the engine to spark.
I will have to phone them tomorrow to try and book a new date
I feel quite pissed off with the damn car now.
It's a ZX9 engine, I have fitted the 100ohm resister, have got neutral light on, earthed the side stand wire. Anyone have any ideas, apart from
pushing it off a cliff
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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spdpug98
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 07:32 PM |
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You have my complete sympathy, I was going through the same with my 2003 R1 engine a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=107592
We eventually found it to be the rear light connector block, we don't understand why it caused the problem but it did
I hope you get it sorted
My Blog: http://spdpug98.wordpress.com/
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 07:39 PM |
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Bear with me and let me do some digging on the search. I've had two or three times that the thing wouldn't spark. First thing to try and
it sounds wierd but it was the same with CossieBri's too. Switch the ignition on and everything then unplug the CDI plug and put it back
together then give it a try. Mine won't spark at all without doing this.
[Edited on 16/3/09 by mistergrumpy]
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mr_pr
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 07:42 PM |
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Not a ZX9 expert but what about the tilt switch, presuming they have one?
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 07:47 PM |
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No tilt switch on ZX9
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garyo
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 07:51 PM |
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clutch switch?
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 07:52 PM |
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Yeah what about the clutch switch? Have you had the engine started previous to this?
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gr8ging
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 07:56 PM |
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no not started before, a bit late I know but I wasn't planning on IVA. I thought about clutch switch but can't find the wire, a friend
"de-clutered" the bike loom for me. I'll go and look again.
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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roadrunner
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 08:06 PM |
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I would do as Mistergrumpy says, iit happened to mine too, just unplug your cdi unit , re-connect it and try again.
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 08:12 PM |
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FYI clutch switch wires are yellow with green tracer and light green, though I don't think this'll be the case as you have the neutral
light on. Unless of course someone's diddled with the neutral light wiring too and given it a constant earth. If you change gear is the neutral
light going off?
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gr8ging
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 08:32 PM |
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yeah, neutral goes out when gear selected. I've just been out and disconnected units but still bugger all.
Should the stand switch be earthed or positive feed?
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 08:39 PM |
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Earthed.
Out of interest is the starter motor turning and fuel pump whirring?
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INDY BIRD
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 08:44 PM |
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With the side stand switch i had a similar prob on a zzr1100 just joined the 2 wires together and then got spark after doing all of the same with the
cdi unit as posted above,
i would try that not just earth it out,
also have you isolated the engine kill switch from the loom etc or joined wires etc,
hope you find it soon
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gr8ging
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 08:54 PM |
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starter and fuel pump seem fine.
Kill switch?
there's power getting to the coils. everything else works electrical, just no spark.
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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INDY BIRD
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 09:05 PM |
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i had the same as said, had power to coils pump elecs the lot but no spark,
it was the side stand switch, i originally just earthed it but didnt work had to join the 2 wires together,
kill switch normally on the handle bars of a bike, is a ignition cut of,
good luck again
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 09:06 PM |
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Yep kill switch or start switch ( the stop part is irrelevant in this case) It would be on the right handlebar and you need to connect a black wire
with red tracer to the red wire that is common to the HT coils.
I've the wiring diagram here by the way, I'm not some kind of wire freak 
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JoelP
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 09:06 PM |
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anyone local you could borrow a different cdi off? Do you have a good copy of the wiring diagram?
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gr8ging
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 09:14 PM |
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yeah have haynes thanks
I think I have 2 black with red trace should I join them both to the redmistergrumpy?
Indybird- I don't have both wires as the loom was cut about to leave what was thought was needed!? Maybe this was my down fall
You've got to laugh, or take a hammer to it!
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 09:20 PM |
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Two black with red tracers? That would suggest that one is cut and therein could be your problem. Do you have a multi meter that you could do a
continuity check with. You'll see on the diagram where they should be connected to.
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INDY BIRD
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 09:24 PM |
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OH CRAP
yes get the hammer out always feels good,
i had a punch bag in the garage let some steam off,
as said get a multi meter and try to trace back,
good luck again
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gr8ging
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 09:44 PM |
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right, joined balck red trace to red coil wire. still no spark. I have disconnected cdi plug and have power at black red trace wire, grey wire and
blue wire.
Now what, hammer?
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 09:59 PM |
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It's very hard to see from here but here goes:
You are unplugging the CDI and then plugging it back in before you try to strat right?
You said you had 2 black with red tracers? One should be joined to the red wire, one to the CDI, one to the main fuse in the fusebox and one to the
fuel pump relay yes? There shouldn't be any more loose ends.
At the main ignition switch, where the key would be have you shorted the wires like the diagram shows so brown goes to white which in turn goes to the
resisitor and onto the grey wire and separate to this the red with blue tracer goes to the red.
I'm sorry if I'm teaching you to suck eggs but it does seem that it's not wired right. Have you wired it yourself?
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BenB
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 10:01 PM |
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I'd try disconnecting everything and probing all the terminals to make sure they're connected with what you think they should be connected
with. Automotive electrics are just a process of elimination.... It'll be something simple in the end!!!
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 10:03 PM |
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An earth. I think I had 3 earths in the end and I also had to connect the block to the chassis with a jump lead before it would go. Try that.
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gr8ging
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| posted on 16/3/09 at 10:08 PM |
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teach away. I can do most mechanical things but electrics are voodoo as far as I'm concerned.
A friend helped to wire it up. We basically wired it quickly so as it would start(well so we thought) to get it to the SVA.
I appreciate your help and time. I think I will have to slow down and take things more methodically.
I'll keep you posted by updating this post. Please feel free to comment on my mistakes
Thanks again
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals.... except the weasel.
You couldn't fool your own mother on the foolingest day of your life with an electrified fooling machine!
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