Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/7/09 at 10:52 PM |
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Weasel power
Any thoughts of using a diesel engine in a 7? If you were forced to use one what would you have?
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graememk
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| posted on 22/7/09 at 11:05 PM |
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no dont do it
but vauxall make a very nice 90bhp 1.3cc
and a 1.9 150 bhp both respond very well to re-mapping
gear box ? 1.9 sould fit something alfa / fiat
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blakep82
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| posted on 22/7/09 at 11:24 PM |
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always wondered if the vauxall diesels from 1998 for example would have the same block as the xe or xev? although i guess the gearing in a type 9 box
wouldn't be perfect
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/7/09 at 11:32 PM |
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Ah here's the thing, why not?
Bags of torque, hardy engine and like you say modern ones of the size most people are talking about give 150bhp stock. Imagine what you could get with
a remap, a few tweaks and a big-arse turbo (maybe a twin one too  )
All with the advantage of 50+mpg when you take it easy and still over 20 at full power
I got the 2l tdci in my mondeo and it's good for nearly 130mph, how would that feel in a seven?
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 22/7/09 at 11:49 PM |
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Westfield made a factory supplied 90 bhp1.6 ford turbo diesel back in mid 80's,it did 0 to 60 in 6.5 seconds,I remember it because I had just
bought a new XR2 at the time,and that could only manage 60 mph in 8.5 seconds.
Ive been thinking about it for my next build,along with just about every other engine out there,but have come to the conclusion that the best diesel
engine would be the bmw 320d 2006/2007 onwards,coupled to its 6 speed box,and its own 2.56 ratio diff,standard this engine puts out 177bhp,you can
chip them up to 250bhp, giving over 300ftlbs of torque,the 06/07 engine is all alloy block and head the only problem is cost,anything with BMW
on it,even 2nd hand is expensive,and then there's whats it going to drive like,big wollop of power for 2000 rpm in each gear,and bags of
torque,could make for interesting drive.
Heres a link to a guy who remove his bike engine to fit a 1.8 ford TD and thinks its better
http://westfield-world.com/pics_paulr.html
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 22/7/09 at 11:53 PM |
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Must say though,looks a tidy install
 
Rescued attachment westy diesel.jpg
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 22/7/09 at 11:57 PM |
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My thoughts exactly:
quote:
That westfield page says
It's a Ford Escort 1800 Engine with a turbo which gives it a bit more go it put out a round 120 bhp mark which for power to weight is just
right.
Car weight is around 620 kg so works well. l had bike engine in it but this is so much fun and I'm getting round 65 mpg and that's with
giveing it some all the time. It just comes back for more and it's all round fun.
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DRC INDY 7
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 12:06 AM |
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I currently thinking about ford focus/peugeot 1.6 tdci 16v 110bhp in standard trim 300ftlbs with overboost standard so with a tweek should be rapid 50
mpg in my focus and thats giving it some push
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blakep82
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 12:51 AM |
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in a few years i would strongly consider putting a diesel in my car. too late to change plans now, but when i want a new engine, turbo diesel looks
fun
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 12:58 AM |
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See I'm at the stage where I'm in the market for a welder, so maybe an engine similar to the one in my current car, got the manual for it
already
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l0rd
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 05:13 AM |
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What about the Nissan Navara engines.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 06:08 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DRC INDY 7
I currently thinking about ford focus/peugeot 1.6 tdci 16v 110bhp in standard trim 300ftlbs with overboost standard so with a tweek should be rapid 50
mpg in my focus and thats giving it some push
I think they are 300Nm std not 300lbft
The VAG 1.9 PD diesel is available as std up to 150bhp and very easily remapped to about 190bhp and 320lbft.
The only issue to get over is the gearing, you need a really short first so bang goes your 0-60 time. However once its rolling you are on a winner if
you can put the power down.
You also have the issue that it just doesnt sound as good as a petrol...
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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hughpinder
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 07:16 AM |
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I suspect the major problem will be stopping wheelspin with all the torque, and so little weight...
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britishtrident
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 07:44 AM |
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Rover lump L series as used in the Rover 95 as standard easy to get 125.
The BMW diesel as used in the 75 and Freelander can produce a lot more power but it is also a lot heavier
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wilkingj
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 08:04 AM |
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No one has mentioned the required 3.14 or 3.38 Diff. These will be almost mandatory if you are using a diesel engine.
Volvo D5 ?? remapped will make 200+bhp and about 400 ft lb torque, and they will do 55mpg
(even in the volvo body!)
And I believe they are an all ally engine.
Lots of options, but crappy sound track.
Still you could run a big Hi-Fi and run a MP3 player connected to the throttle to get the sound track sorted
Then there is the Audi or the BMW as mentioned above.
All things are possible. It just depends on what you want.
IMHO:
I do less than 2000 miles a year and a petrol V8 is still worth it.
If I was doing 10k a year it would be a completely different matter.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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James
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 09:23 AM |
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That recent article in PPC was about a guy fitting a diesel engine in a Westfield. I can't remember the engine of course, but think it was
probably a VW.
Cheers,
James
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 09:38 AM |
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ford diesel to type 9 box IIRC for the PPC car .
find a RWD M(0 for the whiteblock , in slots the D5 , now , if you think its a crappy soundtrack , you should have a go in one .
the BIG problem is removing the ECU to run the thing unless you can get an aftermarket one to work , see most modern ones have a trap and need some
sort of software to prevent damaging it - otherwise its easily £1k to replace .
the vw LT 2.4 intercooled six can make some big power , and in volvo form comes with a rwd box , but its not popular
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
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Guinness
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 11:03 AM |
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As said, I thought the big stumbling block on using a modern diesel was the lack of aftermarket / standalone ECU's and / or the complexity of
trying to get the OEM one to work when removed from it's natural home in the rep mobile.
I'd imagine there would be a big market for a Megasquirt equivalent for oil burners.
Mega glow anyone?
Mike
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blakep82
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 11:13 AM |
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how do diesels work? i thought glow plugs were only used to warm the engine up, and they ran on their own after that?
what would the ecu do?
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Guinness
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 11:15 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
how do diesels work? i thought glow plugs were only used to warm the engine up, and they ran on their own after that?
what would the ecu do?
In simple terms they control the amount of fuel injected.
Diesels run at wide open throttle all the time. The accelerator pedal just controls the amount of fuel put in. Think of it like a foot operated
tap!
On modern diesels they control all sorts of stuff, exhaust gas recirc, over boost, smoke control etc etc.
Mike
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 11:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
how do diesels work? i thought glow plugs were only used to warm the engine up, and they ran on their own after that?
what would the ecu do?
fueling is complex on a diesel i think.
where is dinosaur juice when you need him
Craig
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 11:32 AM |
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yeah , the common rail engines with electronic injectors are hard to swap over , more basic ones with mechanical fuel pump are a lot easier .
in PPC theres a company that offers a diesel standalone , dont how much it is tho .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
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dinosaurjuice
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 01:06 PM |
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turbo diesel are great fun in kit cars
i use a 2.0tdci (actually a new generation peugeot hdi) running 136 hp. the 136hp isnt massive. neither is the 4000rpm peak power. but the fun you can
have with 320nm at a measly 2000rpm is AWESOME
my first choice was the 1.6 TDCi. but i couldnt find a working donor car for the right money...
there are currently no (or very limited) aftermarket ECU's available for common rail diesels. its a case of finding a car which will allow the
ECU to work without stropping to much when it cant find the ABS pump etc.
the VW 1.9tdi is an easy install - these have very simple ecus.
will
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whitestu
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 01:48 PM |
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No!! this is all wrong - diesel engines are horrible things.
Bike engines are perfect for these cars, or a nice free revving petrol engine, but not a diesel.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 23/7/09 at 02:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
No one has mentioned the required 3.14 or 3.38 Diff. These will be almost mandatory if you are using a diesel engine.
IMHO:
I do less than 2000 miles a year and a petrol V8 is still worth it.
If I was doing 10k a year it would be a completely different matter.
What about that 2.57 (ish) one BMW has? I forget which way round the numbers are, which way it goes for better acceleration.
And yeah I do over 10k a year
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