200mph
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 04:57 PM |
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What sort of BEC would match/beat this CEC?
Not reigniting any debate I hope, but more of a specific query.
I really like the look of this car on PH but am really sold on the idea of a BEC. On the road
I'm not too fussed about the difference in drivability as I'm very flexible and tolerant (of 8k rpm @ 70 mph for example).
The question is, what sort of BEC would be needed to beat it round Knochill/similar, where I plan to spend much of my time with my new toy?
Having read many of the other discussions I think 252bhp would more than make up for the faster cornering/braking/gearshifts etc, even on something
like an R1 powered seven. Would it then be onto say a 'busa or something with forced induction (I'm liking the idea of turbo blade)?
Thoughts?
Cheers n beers
Mark
If it isn't broke, fix it until it is
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imp paul
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 05:11 PM |
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hmmmmmmm now let me see i feel 600bhp zx12r turbo should do the job 
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Jubal
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 05:14 PM |
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Having owned an Indy of that vintage I'd say handling is an issue too. When I had my R1 Indy, sorted Megabusas would drive away easily in a way
that Busa Indys couldn't.
So, is it Indy vs Indy in your hypothetical scenario?
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200mph
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 05:19 PM |
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That's a good point - handling has probably come on a fair bit in the last couple of years?
It would be that indy vs any bike engined seven you could get for equivalent money, be it MNR, Indy, Mac1 etc
If it isn't broke, fix it until it is
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 05:22 PM |
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Honestly on track, R1 powered up would give it a run, check our RGB lap times to see what a well sorted BEC on road tyres can do.
There's a lot of money invested in that engine though, price also looks good, its a tempting one.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 05:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Honestly on track, R1 powered up would give it a run, check our RGB lap times to see what a well sorted BEC on road tyres can do.
There's a lot of money invested in that engine though, price also looks good, its a tempting one.
I think that the XE Indy would be faster over a 1/4 mile by up to a second but on a track it would be much closer due to the corners.
Given similar tyres I would think it would be very close.
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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afj
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 05:55 PM |
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are running costs an issue, if my 2003 r1 goes bang then a new engine and box is £1000 what if that engine lets go
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ReMan
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 07:45 PM |
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TB Kit £6000!
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mark chandler
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 07:52 PM |
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That for me is the joy of turbo blade, engines are £300 - £500, not even worth stripping one down at that cost, however a blown engine can ruin an
expensive track day.
But then I do like a bit of 'low' cost, still if someone else has already spent a fortune like that I would be sorely tempted as
reliability should be good.
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 08:05 PM |
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As someone who has used XE's in track cars, I can say that's a cracking spec engine (although I think that the price for the TB's is
a little skyward).
The thing to remember is that they can still be a little highly strung even if well built. If you rod it, it would be a bl**dy expensive rebuild!
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TPG
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 08:51 PM |
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Also theres the wieght.A car engine will affect handling,But be cheaper (normally) to replace
..Which was nice..
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200mph
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 09:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TPG
Also theres the wieght.A car engine will affect handling,But be cheaper (normally) to replace
Not in this case though I'd bet. The rebuild cost would be the main concern, particularly if I got used to that level of power and didn't
want to 'settle' for an easy 180bhp after.
Mark's turbo blade idea is really got me thinking. There are a couple of blade powered cars at sub £7k at the moment, which would leave some
tinkering money
If it isn't broke, fix it until it is
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austin man
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| posted on 15/8/09 at 09:33 PM |
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a well tuned vauxhall, duratec or zetec just get the weight as far back as possible. Bikes have the edge due to reving and gearchange think about
fitting a sequential box. I cant imagine driving more than 40 miles in a BEC due to the scream of the engine
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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disco_biscuit
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| posted on 19/8/09 at 04:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 200mph
Not reigniting any debate I hope, but more of a specific query.
I really like the look of this car on PH but am really sold on the idea of a BEC. On the road
I'm not too fussed about the difference in drivability as I'm very flexible and tolerant (of 8k rpm @ 70 mph for example).
The question is, what sort of BEC would be needed to beat it round Knochill/similar, where I plan to spend much of my time with my new toy?
Having read many of the other discussions I think 252bhp would more than make up for the faster cornering/braking/gearshifts etc, even on something
like an R1 powered seven. Would it then be onto say a 'busa or something with forced induction (I'm liking the idea of turbo blade)?
Thoughts?
Cheers n beers
Mark
That car has been for sale for months, i was considering it before i bought mine, but the cost if the engine goes tits up scared the s**t out of me
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rob2005
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| posted on 20/8/09 at 08:42 AM |
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Red tops are solid engines though, and with this much spent I can't imagine I breaking easy.
I was in your shoes only 2 months ago, the Bhp of a CEC is tempting I looked at a Cosworth powered Indy (270bhp) and it was a monster of a car.
However nothing can replace the screaming revs, clutchless shifting and the look on peoples faces when they find out you've got a bike engine in
a car.
It's raw, noisey and a no brained for me.
Fortune favours the brave!!
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franky
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| posted on 20/8/09 at 09:00 AM |
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What about fitting a nissan 200sx engine..... 200bhp out of the box, RWD bombproof sr20de design? Easy/cheap 300+bhp.
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200mph
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| posted on 20/8/09 at 01:18 PM |
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It's not so much a case of engine options (plenty healthy debate on that subject is ongoing), more specific cars that are for sale at the
moment. I very much want a BEC but they offer less opportunity for higher power - although I'm looking into something like a Holeshot turbo
conversion (longer term plan).
This would get me the best of both worlds, with the BEC shifts etc and the power to keep the smile on my face
Mark
If it isn't broke, fix it until it is
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kjouk
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| posted on 20/8/09 at 03:01 PM |
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From sprinting a BEC I don't think a standard. engine would match that unless it's very heavy. A rough rule might be 180bhp BEC=225 bhp
CEC assuming similar weight loss efforts and handling setup.
If you want to get to higher power (BEC or otherwise) there are plenty of choices but none are easy from the cost/reliability/durability basis. When
faced with this I took on a holeshot turbo busa but it's too early for me to say if that was a wise thing to do.
I would be asking what the engine service interval is on anything non-standard to weigh against the purchase costs, if you can't justify both
costs then don't bother. Don't believe any one who tells you it will last forever, they never do 
Kev
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paublo999
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| posted on 20/8/09 at 03:59 PM |
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My ZZR14 powered MNR is about a second or so slower per 60 seconds than a well driven R500 or a well sorted V6 Dax around the sprints and hills in
Scotland. The more/longer straights they have the larger the gap, but I can now just about match or even beat them (not often enough though) on the
twisty cart tracks and tighter hills 
IMO 190 bhp equates to around 240bhp in a car but they will take you down the straight at Knockhill but you will be back on their tail through the
twisty bits. As a comparison I can get 90mph through the speed trap at Kames which matches 250bhp CEC's but the 300bhp Dax can get upwards of
96mph but has a sequential box, traction control etc etc. Hell of a car to watch
Why don't you come up to the Forrestburn hillclimb on the 29th of this month and see/sit in a few cars and talk to the guys about costs v
performance etc.
I reckon a Holeshot turbo conversion on my ZZR14 would probably take it beyond my level of ability?
You would be made very welcome.
Cheers
Paul.
[Edited on 20/8/09 by paublo999]
My videos http://www.youtube.com/user/ninjabogeyracing
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200mph
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| posted on 20/8/09 at 08:27 PM |
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Cheers Paul, really appreciate your comments.
I'll drop you a U2U about Forrestburn.
All the best
Mark
[Edited on 20/8/09 by 200mph]
If it isn't broke, fix it until it is
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