tigertom
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 10:46 AM |
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Engine suggestions
hi everyone,
am thinkin of doing a engine transplant.currently have a 1.8pinto on twin 45's with cam running at 113bhp.always liked the thought of a bike
engine but never got a run in one,or a cec with a sorted engine.theres an r1 engine package £1200 with 143bhp.i dont want to do a transplant for a
slight change in performance.i want something that is bodering on wicked,but always lean towards the zetec for reliability.it will go goin into a
tiger cat which i'm not sure if it is light enough(636kg complete).any help/advice welcome.i know getting a run in something might help decide
but dont want to miss a bargain/package if it comes up.
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blakep82
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 11:08 AM |
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i live vauxhalls 
either red top or even ecotec. i went ecotec on price, c.d.thomson went red top
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flak monkey
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 11:08 AM |
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Duratec, duratec, duratec.
You can do a budget install for around £1000 - 1500 and that will get you pretty close to 200bhp and superb reliability.
Cat is too heavy for a bike engine anyway.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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l0rd
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 11:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Cat is too heavy for a bike engine anyway.
David
And you will have to manualy push it backwards as well. 
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 11:58 AM |
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hi,
REDTOP.
this is all.
Craig
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Sebastian
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 12:13 PM |
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I also drive a Cat and had in the beginning also a Pinto which i swopped for a ZX9 engine and took that out the same year and mounted a 2.0 Zetec
with TB's which is the best thing i ever did with the car.
The Bike engine is for a car with the weight of the cat not the way to go imho you keep shifting and with no reverse it's just not suitable for
the public roads.
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 12:26 PM |
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Turbo Cossy perhaps.
U2U sent re cossy
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franky
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 12:35 PM |
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plenty of options around, not all ford either!
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tigertom
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 12:40 PM |
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would a zetec make a big difference.there around 150bhp/135bhp at wheels which is only 20bhp more than i've got.is it worth hassle for the
difference.to get more performance is more money taking you into the duratec range,but i thought they were a lot dearer.£1000-£1500 sounds very
cheap.is there a list of parts and prices for that conversion.does it include engine and bellhousing to match it to type 9.would really be tempted if
i could get 200hp for £1500.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 12:48 PM |
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My duratec cost around £800 to get it to ready to fit in naturally aspirated form.
Engine - £400
Fiesta ST flywheel - £25ish
220mm ford clutch (zetec/cvh) - £30
Bellhousing - £200 (new) or ~£150 second hand
Bike throttle bodies - £100
Sump kit - £75
Everything else you can sort yourself (inlet manifold, alternator brackets etc etc)
If you look on my website here:
http://gtslocost.locostsites.co.uk/duratecinstall.htm
Theres a list of costs. You dont need to upgrade injectors etc if you only run 200bhp.
They are expensive to fit if you run raceline everything (sump, steel flywheel etc etc) but there's really no need.
You'll also need a megasquirt ECU to run it all.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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matty h
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 12:59 PM |
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I would go for Vauxhall 2.0 16v Redtop 156bhp standard should be around 180bhp on carbs.Cheapest and easiest way to 200BHP.Also very strong engine
plenty of them for sale on Migweb/performance Nova sites and plenty of secondhand tuning goodies too.
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blakep82
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 01:13 PM |
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ecotec is a bit cheaper than the red top, same block as the red top, so bell housings for the type 9 box are easy to come by, head tuning parts are
not as common as the red top, but are available from QED, and SBD have some.
power potential can be the same as the red top, but it is slightly down on standard power. 137BHP i think it is.
i got mine for £150 a couple of years back.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 01:23 PM |
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you know you want to
-type 9
-original Vx pressure plate
-ford friction plate
-aftermarket bellhousing, clutch fork and release bearing
-engine
all the bits are available at reasonable costs from at least 4 specific companies and come up on ebay. Don't let anyone tell you that fitting a
Vx engine is significantly more complicated than any other transplant!
costs less than the duratec install, you get similar bhp, don't need to worry about emissions. Downside is the duratec is all alloy so saves you
quite a few kilos for your extra monies
[Edited on 12/1/10 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 01:52 PM |
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Having just put a Toyota blacktop 4AGE 20V back in my Striker over Christmas and started it last night. I'm going to recommend one of these but
so long as you fit a light flywheel to match the lightened internals (from the factory).
I'd forgotten how quickly it spins up when you blip the throttle and its very unlike most production engines. 4 individual throttles again
fitted as standard from Toyota.
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Gaz7612
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 02:20 PM |
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How about a 2.2 ecotec engine all alloy and make good power to start with.
Has anyone else done one of these engines in a 7?
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A1
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 02:52 PM |
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go mental. turbo hayabusa.
either that or the turbo cossie ideas good
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carpmart
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 03:06 PM |
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Or a cheaper 8v cossie turbo also known as a pinto turbo!
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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tigertom
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 03:10 PM |
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cossie i hear has heat issues(suggested by tiger).i think duratec is the way forward,its light and exhaust exists the same side as the pinto etc.may
wait till next winter though till parts become easier/cheaper to source as the more people do the install.
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iank
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 03:21 PM |
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Cossie can certainly be made to work without overheating, though it's not the cheapest option by any means. Take a look through hicost 's
picture archive and posts. His is tuned up to 470bhp and happily runs around the continent and up/down mountains all day.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=120276
[Edited on 12/1/10 by iank]
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Anonymous
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 03:41 PM |
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The Duratec has the advantage of having the exhaust on the same side as the Pintosaurus, so it may save some bodywork mods/replacement depending on
how your current exhaust is routed.
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franky
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 03:54 PM |
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bmw 328..... 325 manifold and an induction kit.... 250bhp....
Oh RWD too, lighter than a pinto and cheap as chips
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locostbuyer83
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 04:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by franky
bmw 328..... 325 manifold and an induction kit.... 250bhp....
Oh RWD too, lighter than a pinto and cheap as chips
Dont think your quite reach 250bhp
193 + maybe 20 for the inlet manifold and maybe 10 for a decent filter.
plus its a straight 6 so heavy in such a small car, make sure you up your brakes.
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Sebastian
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 04:45 PM |
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ha ha a straight six BMW in a Tiger Cat, well good luck not only the brakes should be upgraded but also the whole car
We have a straight six in our Viento and there we had to mod the chassis a bit due to the angle of the engine.
I also looked at the 4 cilinder BMW "318is" engines but also there the angle of the engine is the problem with the chassis of a Tiger.
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blakep82
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 05:11 PM |
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my standard 328 made 200bhp on a rolling road in 2000. i got the papers to show. lost quite a few now i suspect.
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franky
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 05:14 PM |
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250bhp will be cheap to get out of one as they're very restricted by the manifold/airbox.
How much would an n/a duratec cost with that sort of reliable power?
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