dai1983
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 03:23 PM |
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Beginner Advice (sorry its so long!)
Hi, just joined as I found the site looking for info on 7 style kits. I have a few questions. I’m thinking of building a kit over the summer and
winter ready for next year.
I originally had a Tiger Avon or E1 kit in mind as it was cheaper than a Westfield kit and comes as a complete package for 3k + donor. Then I learned
of all the problems with the Tiger kits from this forum and am not so sure. I’m really interested in the Indy kit as it looks good quality and also
the GTS kit as I haven’t seen many (also a bad thing as no useful feedback available from previous builds) and there seems to be some special looking
components for such a cheap kit. Both of these kits seem like good value and will help me make a start to my build. In an ideal world though I would
have a complete Leugo kit but I haven’t got the cash for one.
I’m planning to use the engine from the donor sierra then update to a C20XE Vauxhall, zetech or bike engine when I get bored and have more cash
available.
I heard that the pinto engine sierras are the best to use, but if I were to update in future I’m not sure weather the exhaust would have to be
relocated to the opposite side of the car (I know that it does on the zetech). I know that the exhaust on a cvh engined car comes out on the opposite
side to the Pinto so I’m thinking of using a 1.8 cvh sierra instead. Problem is that I’ve not seen many cvh engined kits and I’m not sure if this will
be as straight forward as using a pinto engine.
Any advice on choice of kit and donor would be appreciated.
Thanks, David
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Mk-Ninja
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 03:38 PM |
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David welcome to the mad house 
You are right about the exhausts on the pinto, and several people have used the cvh engine succesfully (Surrey Dave to mention one).
I would try to go for the engine you want to end up with especialy if you want a BEC. It will keep things simpler and even if the exhausts are on the
same side they can come out at different positions.
Your choice of Indy and GTS is sound both good suppliers with many satisfied customers.
You should get many comments of which way to go, just take it all in and make the best choice you can.
Have a good time building, theres loads of help on here just post it.
Gordon
I'm sure I've got one, just don't know where I've put it
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dai1983
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 04:09 PM |
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Thanks for the welcome!
I suppose it is common sense in starting with the engine i want in the long run. If this is the case i'll have to look at budgetting for the
engine that i want. I should have 3.5k to start off with (hopefully enough for basic kit + donor + engine) and then save up for fancy bits
I think i'll definately have to chose from a car engine as bike engines are too expensive.
Really like the GTS kit but a lack of finished examples is putting me off.
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TPG
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 posted on 3/5/04 at 05:45 PM |
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Hello.I've used the 1.8cvh engine in mine purely for the reason it came free with a free Sierra and it was/is in good condition.Saved the funds
y'see.Start cheap,Spend what you save on the engine on good quality suspension(GTS,Gaz etc).
..Which was nice..
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hurf69
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 posted on 3/5/04 at 06:02 PM |
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I am also a begginer in the kit car world . I have asmall budget and want to build a luego velocity as the boys down there are great and i have asked
about abit and everyone seems to say they a the dogs balls . If Any one can give me any idea on cost and what bits are best to buy in the kit and
which i can find elsewhere that would be great
Cheers
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dai1983
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 06:38 PM |
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hurf69,
I also looked at the velocity kit on the site and it looks good quality. The full kit is 5k + vat ( at VAT). Also need a donor car + engine +
wheels.
My budget can't stretch that far so im thinking of either 2k on the MK or GTS (or possibly 3k on the tiger E1 comprehensive kit that is similar
to the 5k leugo) starter kits + donor + other parts to complete.
By doing this i'll have more hassle finding parts to complete it but i think it'll be cheaper. Alslo ill be able to save for bits as im
building it instead of a 1 off payment.
To go the luego route, a similar starter pack would include the packs 1-4 on the luego website. These total up to 2.8k + vat and you also need the
other parts such as an donor etc. Nothing wrong with doing this but i cant afford the extra cash.
I also think i could pick up a lot of things 2nd hand or car boot sales.
Not sure if it helps but that what i'm planning to do on a budget.
David
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 07:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dai1983
Really like the GTS kit but a lack of finished examples is putting me off.
I wouldnt, mark and darrens stuff is very good qual, and from what i have seen (quite a bit) the 7 kit is very very good, and if there are any
problems mark will always sort you out
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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zetec
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 07:32 PM |
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Don't get to hung up on a complete kit. If I was doing things again I would look at getting a rolling chassis sorted first with engine and
running gear then source other stuff as I went along. As you build you may want to do things different to the parts you got at the beginning. Sourcing
the parts is half the fun!
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dai1983
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 07:55 PM |
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zetec- Thats what im planning on doing. Ill buy enough to get a rolling chassis and body built then get the rest as i can afford it. Think my previous
post is confusing, sorry.
The pictures on the gts site do look good but it would be encouraging to see a complete example. Ill just have to visit a few shows in the comming
months to see things first hand.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 08:59 PM |
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Hi!!!
A few comments, I think you are definitely right about the exhaust routing. The pinto is about the only engine I know of with the exhaust that side.
Certainly the Vauxhall XE (which I am using) has the exhaust the same side as the Crossflow/CVH.
I was also worried by the lack of finished examples of the GTS kit, even though it looks excellent!!
I was debating the same as you but decided on the Stuart Taylor motorsport "kit" for the chassis/body. I like the use of the original
narrow track width and the considerable competition pedigree this car has, not to mention the fact that many of the local "pub meet"
locosters have Stuart taylor based cars.
Getting the XE engine under the bonnet may be interesting (ST favour bike engines I think) but Caterham did it in a very similar dimensioned car so
I can too!!
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CairB
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 09:10 PM |
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Add the Ford Duratec 4 cyl to the list of engines who's exhaust come out the same side as the pinto. It'l be on the list of upgrades as
more become available and the cost of installation drops.
Cheers,
Colin
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NS Dev
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 09:16 PM |
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Bloody hell Colin, I am learning a lot from you today!!!! Are you sure on this? That means the engine is the opposite way round to virtually
everything else out there!! Though I don't dispute it if that is the engine you are using!!!
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CairB
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 09:21 PM |
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Yep, see DuratecPerformance for photo - the induction is on the LHS. Don't look
too far down at the 1000+hp tho
This forum is very good for sharing info isn't it?
Cheers,
Colin
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NS Dev
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| posted on 3/5/04 at 09:46 PM |
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Ahhh, I am enlightened!
It is pretty good isn't it!
A bit of bull byproduct around now and again but you get that everywhere.
Cheers for the info, have to say I am not really up on the latest developments on the Fordy engine front!!
Cheers again
Nat.
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