iDENTITi
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| posted on 28/3/10 at 11:33 PM |
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Found an engine, need a gearbox..
So I've been offered a 1.6 16v zetec E, for well, free.
I coulda got one last week too, but I passed up on the offer for some silly reason. It's not going to be for a while (in my mums car until she
gets rid of it)
But, obviously I need to change the gearbox for a RWD one. I know I have the choice of a type 9 or MT75, but which is the better to get?
Also what clutch components will I have to change etc.
Sorry for being a little slow, my engineering skills are okay, but my limited mechanical abilities are annoying me a little here.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 28/3/10 at 11:49 PM |
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You could use either on a zetec E.
your aswell sticking to a T9. Its the more done route.
use the 1.6 flywheel.
You want a clutch plate and cover from a mk1 1.8 mondeo make sure it has the 220mm 1" 23 spline clutch plate.
You then want a Qhcct133 release bearing.
Lucas lrs 707 starter motor from a 2.0dohc or 1.8 cvh sierra and they will stick together.
the 1.6 is only 90bhp as standard unless your young or need the small engine for some reason you would be better with a 1.8 or 2l
[Edited on 28/3/10 by big_wasa]
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iank
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| posted on 28/3/10 at 11:51 PM |
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Zetec E is a regular Zetec i.e. a Zeta (Zetec SE is a Sigma and is a lot more expensive to convert to RWD).
Either Type 9 or MT75 will be fine. Type 9 is smaller and has a removable bell-housing for if you change your mind later. MT75 is bigger (and may
require chassis changes) and has a cast on bell-housing which potentially restricts choice later on.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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iDENTITi
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| posted on 28/3/10 at 11:52 PM |
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I'm 19 and only passing my test this year.. So yeah, its good for insurance too. Its not really going to be that slow for me either.
How much am I looking for a t9 box (and all added clutch etc).?
Thanks for the help.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 28/3/10 at 11:58 PM |
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keep an eye on ebay.
a T9 will start at about 50+ and they often go for over £100
You can often pick up a new clutch on ebay for less than £20 and the bearing, same again.
Mt75 is a cheaper box. a guy on here was giving one away. R1_pete but was taking it to the tip today. There is a guy near me got another I paid £30
for the last one.
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r1_pete
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 06:55 AM |
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Thought I'd give it a week on eBay 1st, but if it aint gone by next Sunday, its tip fodder, if you want it and can collect it, its yours
free.....
HERE
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 07:14 AM |
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iDENTITi - Try posting a wanted post for all the parts listed above.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Grimsdale
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 08:09 AM |
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engine size does not make much difference with kit car insurance. Pass on the engine and get a 2.0
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jonesier1
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 09:40 AM |
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dont forget the spigot bearing in the end the crank.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 10:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
Zetec E is a regular Zetec i.e. a Zeta (Zetec SE is a Sigma and is a lot more expensive to convert to RWD).
what he said - there was a 1.6 zeta 16v in the last of the sierra's, but I guess the gearbox wouldn't be a problem if thats what you
were getting.....
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iDENTITi
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 11:40 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
Thought I'd give it a week on eBay 1st, but if it aint gone by next Sunday, its tip fodder, if you want it and can collect it, its yours
free.....
HERE
That's an arse - my brother in law just came back from sheffield. I'll look into if anyones going up there again soon.
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iDENTITi
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 11:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
what he said - there was a 1.6 zeta 16v in the last of the sierra's, but I guess the gearbox wouldn't be a problem if thats what you
were getting.....
Yeah.. It's from a 98 escort finesse, so, new gearbox needed. Hopefully stripping the shell and selling everything I don't need off it
makes me break even. It's just waiting for it to be available really. Hopefully the engine isn't too worn with 130k under it..
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iDENTITi
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 11:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Grimsdale
engine size does not make much difference with kit car insurance. Pass on the engine and get a 2.0
Really? I was hearing I wouldn't even get insured on anything over a 1.8. This engine is pretty much free anyway, so thats a big factor too.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 11:46 AM |
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Phone the insurance companies. Most wont insure on a 2 litre until you are 21.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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mcerd1
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 03:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iDENTITi
Yeah.. It's from a 98 escort finesse, so, new gearbox needed...
I think thats the 'zetec SE' [AKA 'sigma']engine (but not exactly an escort expert)
its easy to tell though - the 'SE' is all alloy and the 'E' has a cast iron block (but with alot of alloy round about it)
also the inlet and exhaust are on different sides
http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/zetec_se.aspx
[Edited on 29/3/10 by mcerd1]
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iDENTITi
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 03:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
quote:
Originally posted by iDENTITi
Yeah.. It's from a 98 escort finesse, so, new gearbox needed...
I think thats the 'zetec SE' [AKA 'sigma']engine (but not exactly an escort expert)
its easy to tell though - the 'SE' is all alloy and the 'E' has a cast iron block (but with alot of alloy round about it)
also the inlet and exhaust are on different sides
http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/zetec_se.aspx
[Edited on 29/3/10 by mcerd1]
Airbox has "zetec e" stuck on it, so thats what I was going by. Give me a few minutes and I'll upload a pic i took last night..
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iDENTITi
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 04:08 PM |
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http://locostbuilders.co.uk/upload/2DSC00498.JPG
Just a link as the photos pretty huge... Sorry for the quality.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 04:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
quote:
Originally posted by iDENTITi
Yeah.. It's from a 98 escort finesse, so, new gearbox needed...
I think thats the 'zetec SE' [AKA 'sigma']engine (but not exactly an escort expert)
The Zetec SE was never fitted to the Escort. It will be the Zetec E.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 04:45 PM |
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yep thats a good old silver top.
As long as its had regular oil changes with 5w30 it will be fine.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 06:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
The Zetec SE was never fitted to the Escort. It will be the Zetec E.
does that mean its really an 1800 or did they stick a 1600 in some of them ?
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iDENTITi
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 08:34 PM |
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Settled for a mt75 because er, it was free.
Just have to build the chassis around it when I've got access to a decent welder again!
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speedystew
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| posted on 29/3/10 at 09:32 PM |
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don't want to put you off your choice and for a road car there's nothing wrong with an mt75 but..... if at a later date you wanted to
upgrade to quaife,bgh etc you would need a new prop and also reposition the gearbox where if you had a type 9 to start with it would be a simple
swap,even the quaife sequential boxes are modeled on the type 9 even though they don't look like one
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big_wasa
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| posted on 30/3/10 at 12:02 AM |
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You will need a 20mm spacer on the Mt75 release bearing.
Westfield sell a new one for £50
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iDENTITi
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| posted on 30/3/10 at 07:57 AM |
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http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/shop/product.asp?P_ID=254&strPageHistory=search&strKeywords=mt75,spacer&numPageStartPosition=1&s
trSearchCriteria=any&PT_ID=all
£61 now, tempted to try and knock the spacer up on the lathe, but I'd need to find dimensions.
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 30/3/10 at 08:16 AM |
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If someone can get some dimensions and stick them up I would be very interested!
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