marcjagman
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 02:05 PM |
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Do I need to use the clutch??????????
As I am not really a bike person I was wondering if you need to use the clutch when changing gear on a BEC. The main reason is I have very wide feet
and don't want to be catching the wrong pedals all the time. If I only need a clutch to set of/stop then I can rig a hand operated one on the
gear lever. Does any one have any theories/help on this?
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BenB
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 02:08 PM |
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It depends on the bike in question and how long you want it to last 
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jack_t
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 02:14 PM |
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you can clutch less upshift all bikes but its not recommended to do clutch less downshifts
for upshifts
accelerate so you the car is pulling put gental pressure on the the gear change not to hard not to little you will get the knack you want it so its
against the gate so if u were to pull a little bit more it would change gear then lift off the accelerator and it should just slip into the next gear
i wouldn't recommend drying to do it on from 1st to 2nd through neutral until your really confident with doing
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GBaggott
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 02:17 PM |
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No clutch on high rev up change, I always clutch on down shift (matching revs is a bit trickier). Trickshift.
Our formula student car had a hand operated clutch that automatically de-clutch as you went to down shift. I wasn't involved just heard about it
pretty neat mechanism.
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r1_pete
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 02:19 PM |
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Its ok for upshifts, very rare I use the clutch on my R1 going up the box, downchanging is more difficult needing to match the revs to the gearbox
speed.
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mikeb
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 02:20 PM |
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Lots of Formula Student cars running bike engines use a hand operated clutch. The gear lever turns into a v shape with two lever's
interconnectedm the idea being as you grab one to change gear it disengages the clutch first. Sure there will be pictures somewhere.
Mike
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marcjagman
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 03:16 PM |
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Would like to see how that worked, similar to what I am after doing, in fact, sounds exactly like what I am after.
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bonesetter
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 03:50 PM |
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You've also got to avoid 'pulling a neutral' - however thats happening??
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greggors84
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 06:13 PM |
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The 'auto' clutches i've seen on setups like this work by having a cable or pushrod and m/c depending on clutch set up mounted on
the gear lever.
As the gear lever is pushed forward from neutral to get first it engages the clutch as you bring the lever back it releases the clutch, as you pull
back to up shift there is no clutch but when you push forward to change down it engages the clutch as the gear is selected.
You either need a long lever to give some feel for pulling away or a clutch pedal which you can use for pulling away, but sort of defeats the object.
Although it you still have the near seamless change with the lever.
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RAYLEE29
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 06:31 PM |
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Hi, clutchless changes are fine if your happy to be fitting new gearboxes every now and then.
you can change up on full throttle with no clutch on a bike if you flick the kill switch and it will save time on accelerating but eventually
something will break.
personally I WOULD USE THE CLUTCH ON EVERY UP AND DOWN CHANGE especially as the car weighs more than a bike and most people fit uprated clutches
because of the added stresses on the transmission.
Ray
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paublo999
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 07:06 PM |
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Never had any problems with a properly setup trickshifter setup.
All the guys have been doing sprints and trackdays without issues and we have been known to give it some.
Paul.
My videos http://www.youtube.com/user/ninjabogeyracing
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 2/9/10 at 08:14 PM |
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Is it not just far easier to have a switch that spark-cuts on shift to reduce driveline load during the change?
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