Andy W
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 07:28 PM |
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Mini on ebay legality
Hi
A friend of mines son is watching a mini on ebay.
1962 AUSTIN MINI 1000 CITY E RED on eBay (end time 06-Jan-11 19:04:54 GMT)
Obviously shape and reg don't relate to 1962 mini
but putting the reg no in DVLA
The vehicle details for E508 UOK are:
Date of Liability 01 12 2010
Date of First Registration 17 03 1988
Year of Manufacture 1962
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 998CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour RED
Vehicle Type Approval
How do we end up with year of manufacture 1962, but a reg date of 1988
My insticts are to stay well clear
any advice please
cheers Andy
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r1_pete
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 07:40 PM |
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I don't know how they have managed this, I understood that you couldn't legaly have a plate which portrays the vehicle as being newer than
it actually is.
He says he has all the paperwork, it may be worth arranging to view it and analyse the docs before bidding.
It could be a load of mechanical, electrical, and legal hassle though....
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 07:42 PM |
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Im thinking he has put an older private plate on it & thinks that entitles him to tax exempt, no chance !!
That would be a good loophole if we could all do that.
In the questions section of his ad, he says its a 1988 registered car and your check confirms this so i reckon its ok, if you win it, just treble
check engine & chassis numbers, i cant see it being a problem.
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 07:46 PM |
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Whoops, just read your topic in more detail, registered 1988, manufactured 1962 ???? its definately not a 1962 shell as im sure you know from those
pictures, it may have been imported to this country in 1988 and reshelled with a new shell but im pretty sure if you import, they still give you a
plate from the year of manufacture.
I would be interested to know whats happened ? very strange..
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 07:51 PM |
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looks big ben ---- major ringer clearly a Mini Mk2 E registration could be right for the shell. Cherished number bit dosen't make any
sense.
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rf900rush
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 07:51 PM |
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Some cars can have a Reg. plate that is newer than the car.
I had one.
It was a 1975 Range Rover on A xxx000 'Y' Reg.
I think the rules were updated from 'A'xxx000.
The V5 once had a ROUxxxx number marked as prevoius number. Which made me think it was imported from Ireland.
Although this does not mean other "iffy" Registered cars will be OK.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 07:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andybarbet
Whoops, just read your topic in more detail, registered 1988, manufactured 1962 ???? its definately not a 1962 shell as im sure you know from those
pictures, it may have been imported to this country in 1988 and reshelled with a new shell but im pretty sure if you import, they still give you a
plate from the year of manufacture.
I would be interested to know whats happened ? very strange..
in the old days they just accepted the year of manufacture that was filled in on the form by whoever registered the vehicle. It is quite ex-army
vehicles to find say an Austin Champ which must have been built in the 1949 to 1954 period as manufactured in 1963 partly because it would delay the
requirement for an MOT test.
However this Min smells of fish and the seller is being more than evasive.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 08:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rf900rush
Some cars can have a Reg. plate that is newer than the car.
snip
snip .
But reg appears correct for the car --- it clearly isn't a 1962 Mini
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Andy W
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 08:02 PM |
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My first car was like that
It had an 'X' reg on it 1982 at the time, but I think the car was a 1979 but had been imported.
Can't quite remember the details as it was long time ago.
Andy
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Thinking about it
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 08:02 PM |
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The buyer bought a Mini 1275 with historic tax in September
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eB
ayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=hayley_superdooper&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer I wonder if its the same one.
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r1_pete
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 08:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rf900rush
Some cars can have a Reg. plate that is newer than the car.
I had one.
It was a 1975 Range Rover on A xxx000 'Y' Reg.
I think the rules were updated from 'A'xxx000.
The V5 once had a ROUxxxx number marked as prevoius number. Which made me think it was imported from Ireland.
Although this does not mean other "iffy" Registered cars will be OK.
I had a 1982 motorcycle, which was re-imported into the UK from the states in 90's, that was registered as an 1982 machine, the reg no is of the
format YYY 80X. Its details:
Date of Liability 01 07 2011
Date of First Registration 01 08 1996
Year of Manufacture 1982
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 997CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Licence Not Due
Vehicle Colour BLACK
Vehicle Type Approval
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marcjagman
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 08:20 PM |
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Upto 1983, Y reg, any car that was re-registered or imported got the current reg regardless of age you then had to re-apply for an age related plate.
This Mini is not what it seems, I think we all know that, there are however a surprising number of people that still believe a 25 year old car is tax
exempt, maybe this is the case? I doubt it, it's a ringer.
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ianclark1275
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 08:25 PM |
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there is a suble difference between a car eligible for tax exemption and one that is tax exempt.
if you go to the post office with a V5c saying 1962 you will still pay tax.
1962 is eligible but needs the V5c changing from PLG to HISTORIC,
then its exempt from tax and the Tax disc says £ NIL.
getting the DVLA to change a 1988 log book to historic is impossible.
what appears to be going on is:
pooly worded advert for a 1988 mini for sale with a set of tax exempt plates?
IC
measure twice, cut once, scrap it, start again.
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s6otty
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 08:28 PM |
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Yes, the V5 will have to state Historic, ask the seller if this is the case.
Still a case of buyer beware me thinks, as it clearly ain't a 1962 Mini!
Scott
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 09:31 PM |
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My idea, may or mabe not correct....
this or a previous owner ringed the car (ie a 1988 or thereabouts) mini and registered it as a 1962. possibly to transfer off a tasty plate from a V5
but didn't have the car....
Hang on, doesn't work as the car would have been issued with an age related plate, which would have been better as it would be tricker to fathom
out than this which smells bad. Of course the obvious answer is that it was a 1962 car that the dealer had on the forecourt for 26 years I really
do not understand this one, unless it is a ringer as above, and DVLA enployed a temp numpty
IIRC imports etc were given new registaration numbers up to 1981 W reg. After that the reg reflects the build date. Owners clubs are usually the ones
to confirm build dates when you register such a car 9have done that twice with Triumphs over the years)
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ianclark1275
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| posted on 3/1/11 at 09:54 PM |
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My campervan V5c says
date of first registration 1985
Date of manufacture 1978
thats because it is an import and was given a age related plate (1978 ) when imported in 1985.
the 2 dates can be different which is fine.
problem with this car is the 1988 reg on it. 998 engines were not invented in 1962 ----997!
and stating CITY E makes me think thats what it actually is.
One possible answer is:
car restorer gets old 1962 mini without V5
renews everything part by part ie a nut and bolt rebuild car.
goes to dvla to get a log book and register it in 1988.
DVLA say, nothing is original but all the parts look new we will give you a 1988 plate.?
whatever happens, its worth something as it stands, looks to be a tidy mini.
measure twice, cut once, scrap it, start again.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/1/11 at 12:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ianclark1275
My campervan V5c says
date of first registration 1985
Date of manufacture 1978
thats because it is an import and was given a age related plate (1978 ) when imported in 1985.
the 2 dates can be different which is fine.
problem with this car is the 1988 reg on it. 998 engines were not invented in 1962 ----997!
and stating CITY E makes me think thats what it actually is.
One possible answer is:
car restorer gets old 1962 mini without V5
renews everything part by part ie a nut and bolt rebuild car.
goes to dvla to get a log book and register it in 1988.
DVLA say, nothing is original but all the parts look new we will give you a 1988 plate.?
whatever happens, its worth something as it stands, looks to be a tidy mini.
Its not a rebuild on BL heritage shell its not particularly tidy ---- ding dong and not in the Leslie Pillips way
Looking at the detail of the rough interior it looks like a 1990s Mini with a late 1980s reg number b and probably the chassis number plate from a
1962 car.
That combination makes me wonder if the source of the body shell was kosha.
[Edited on 4/1/11 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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