designer
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 02:36 PM |
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Re-reistering a car within the EEC
I have been refused re-registration of my Robin Hood by the French. I wrote to my MEP asking for a simply answer. I was passed me onto someone else
who sent me this;
Please find below the reply to your enquiry. Please note that the advice given by Your Europe Advice is an independent advice and cannot be
considered to be the opinion of the European Commission, of any other EU institution or its staff nor will this advice be binding upon the European
Commission, any other EU or national institution.
Dear Sir, I am writing you regarding your request about the car’s registration. By virtue of the “Commission interpretative communication on
procedures for the registration of motor vehicles originating in another Member State”: “ national authorities may request the EC certificate of
conformity for vehicles previously registered in another Member State when the non-harmonised registration certificate of the other Member State does
not allow them to identify the motor vehicle with sufficient precision”. Therefore, the French authorities may require additional technical checks. I
suggest you to consult the above mentioned Communication by clicking on the following link:
DF" target="_blank">http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2007:068:0015:0024:en DF Moreover, I advise you to consult the European Commission’s
website regarding the registration of motor vehicles at the following address:
http://ec.europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/registration/formalities/index_en.htm?profile=0 Regards Expert Your Europe Advice To submit another
enquiry, please visit Your Europe Advice, but do not reply to this e-mail.
Yours sincerely,
Your Europe Advice
I have just replied with this:
Dear Sir/Madam You have sent me a non-answer. All you did was direct me somewhere to one of your paper wasting 'advice' documents.
Which we, the laymen; do not understand.
Your documents are gobbledegook to the man in the street.
I have a certificate stating that my car is satisfactory, and safe enough, in all quarters, to be SVA'd, IVA'd, MOT'd, taxed and
insured!
(For your information, the SVA/IVA is a super MOT which certifies all aspects of the vehicle (construction/safety/lighting/) have reached the required
standard.)
I want a simple Yes, or No.
As I am English, I have, under EEC law, the right to live when I want within the EEC, surely I should also have the right to take my car with me, OR
are the French non-conforming to the EEC by having their own regulations!
Maybe you should be sorting matters like this, that people need, rather than wasting time making directives on Cabbages, Brussels Sprouts and
Bananas!
Yours Sincerely
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HappyFather
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 03:38 PM |
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I'm very interested in this topic because I'm still undecided between doing IVA in the UK and then re-registering in Portugal or trying to
do it all in Portugal (which, amazingly, is more expensive then sending the car on a crate to the UK, doing IVA and bringing it back).
For what I understood from reading the EC law and speaking with a person in the Portuguese-equivalent-to-DVLA, the EC law allows two types of
approval. One is EC approval where the vehicle is approved in one country and the EC certificate is valid for all EC countries. The other type of
approval, only valid for amateur builds and small series, is a National approval, where rules may differ slightly between countries. This is the type
of approval where the IVA probably falls into. Just look at your Certificate of Approval and see if it states on the upper right (?) corner that it is
"EC Approval" or omits that.
For National Approvals, other EC countries aren't forced to accept the certificate per se and can demand further documentation proving
compliance or request a new IVA-equivalent. And it's known that at least in France and Germany that national amateur build approval is almost
impossible. I know in Portugal at least one person got a car registered (a Fury) but had to go through many hurdles.
Another person that is known in Portugal for recovering classic cars (mostly British) and preparing classics for racing has told me that
DVLA-equivalent has even been causing problems re-registering classic cars, that were built/sold prior to EC certifications and, thus, don't
have such paperworks. He told me of a customer of his that had to put a fight to re-register an Escort RS (MKI?) that had UK plate and he wanted to
race in the national classics.
By the way, if you will only be staying some months or years in France and plan to go back to the UK, try to find out if you are allowed to keep the
UK plate and just carry with you an approval to circulate with it. I believe foreigners working here are allowed to go around with their foreign
plates.
I'll keep following this thread with interest...
Good luck!
HappyFather
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 04:40 PM |
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The IVA is a bit of a joke in terms of technical requirements compared to EC type approval. Other member states are only obliged to accept foreign
approvals if the standards assessed are equivalent to their own. It's not that the French are not adhering to EU law, it's that the UK
have developed a scheme to allow self-build to continue but that comes nowhere near the European standards.
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whitestu
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 04:52 PM |
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There is an agreement on 'mutual recognition of standards' or similar under the 1992 Single Market act that should force any member state
to recognise standards from another member which may cover this.
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 06:11 PM |
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It's fairy simple. The type approval system within the EU is harmonized. Member states (i.e. the UK) can deviate from that if they wish (and the
UK has done just that with the IVA). If you want to register a non type-approved vehicle (your IVA'd car) in a different member state (france),
that member state can request you carry out additional tests, which might just be equal to the standard type approval tests, thus making registering
your car in France impossible.
To be fair, the comment: "national authorities may request the EC certificate of conformity for vehicles previously registered in another
Member State when the non-harmonised registration certificate of the other Member State does not allow them to identify the motor vehicle with
sufficient precision”. Says exactly that.
As said above, the IVA is a bit of a joke compared to a full EU type approval. Our cars are basically dangerous and very polluting compared to a type
approved vehicle, and as such some countries have chosen not to allow them on their roads. Harsh but true...
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 06:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
The IVA is a bit of a joke in terms of technical requirements compared to EC type approval. Other member states are only obliged to accept foreign
approvals if the standards assessed are equivalent to their own. It's not that the French are not adhering to EU law, it's that the UK
have developed a scheme to allow self-build to continue but that comes nowhere near the European standards.
100% correct.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 12/2/11 at 08:03 PM |
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Sounds like you should tell them that you're trying to do this the legal way, but if they want you to go ahead and drive an untaxed and
un-mot'd car with british plates then fine, their loss.
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morcus
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| posted on 13/2/11 at 06:49 AM |
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What are the rules about driving on plates from a member state? I was under the impression that you could indeffinatly drive in the EU in a car from
any member state, If i'm right all you'd need to do is keep your car registered to a UK adress?
From what you've said I'm guessing their answer is no. Your problem isn't France doing something outside the rules but the UK
exercising its own sovereign rights to allow low production cars.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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designer
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| posted on 13/2/11 at 09:49 AM |
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In France you must re-register a car with foreign plates after six months.
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Humbug
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| posted on 13/2/11 at 10:03 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
In France you must re-register a car with foreign plates after six months.
and in the UK AFAIK
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 13/2/11 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
quote:
Originally posted by designer
In France you must re-register a car with foreign plates after six months.
and in the UK AFAIK
True, but who says when that six months starts? I've said elsewhere some haulage companies have foreign vehicles and they get away with it
because the vehicles aren't in the country for six months, they go back for a few weeks and it starts again.
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AndyGT
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| posted on 13/2/11 at 09:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
quote:
Originally posted by designer
In France you must re-register a car with foreign plates after six months.
and in the UK AFAIK
UK insurance companies normally only allow 3 months!! SO after 3 months you ar un-insured!!!
nothing is impossible
everything is possible
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ashg
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| posted on 13/2/11 at 09:57 PM |
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but if they wont let you register your car in their country what can you do other than drive around on foreign plates? the rules seem stupid. you can
drive the car as a visitor on foreign plates and they are willing to accept that it is safe and road legal due to it being from an eu-member state.
personally if i couldn't get it registered i would keep driving it until someone noticed then ask how should i register it?
its a mad system, when you look at some of the wrecks the Polish and Czechs are bring over with them.
Anything With Tits or Wheels Will cost you MONEY!!
Haynes Roadster (Finished)
Exocet (Finished & Sold)
New Project (Started)
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morcus
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| posted on 14/2/11 at 12:17 AM |
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You can get extended EU insurance, I've seen it as an option on internet brookers sites and I'd guess you could get full EU insurance for
the whole year if you wanted.
Take it over for the summer, then put it in storage on sorn for the winter?
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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designer
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 02:19 PM |
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Have just got this reply:::
Dear Mr Fisher,
Thank you for your email. We cannot answer your question with a yes or no answer unfortunately as we are not in possession of the relevant information
regarding this issue.
We would be happy to contact the European Commission regarding this question to seek clarification on your behalf should you so wish.
I hope this helps.
best wishes,
Chris Beverley
British National Party
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designer
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| posted on 15/2/11 at 02:21 PM |
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And now have got this reply:
Dear Sir/Madam,
Please find below the reply to your enquiry. Please note that the advice given by Your Europe Advice is an independent advice and cannot be considered
to be the opinion of the European Commission, of any other EU institution or its staff nor will this advice be binding upon the European Commission,
any other EU or national institution.
Dear Sir, I am writing you regarding your request about the car’s registration. I confirm the previous answer, the French authorities may require
additional technical checks. Therefore, the English certificate of conformity is not automatically recognised by the French authorities.
As you requested, the answer is No.
Regards Expert Your Europe Advice
To submit another enquiry, please visit Your Europe Advice, but do not reply to this e-mail.
Yours sincerely,
Your Europe Advice
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