woodster
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| posted on 18/8/12 at 10:06 PM |
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Seems a bit harsh
The guys 74 and disabled ! I'm all for being tough on crime But it seems a bit harsh 
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 18/8/12 at 10:16 PM |
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It's not like he (or anyone else) was likely to go and hold up the local bank with it.
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 18/8/12 at 10:18 PM |
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Very harsh, my guess is he's not an immagrant since he didn't get a mansion when he left prison.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
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AdrianH
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| posted on 18/8/12 at 10:25 PM |
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Perhaps because of this line, who knows?
'Although he had both a gun licence and an explosives licence, a number of the weapons were not registered, including the cannon.'
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 18/8/12 at 10:37 PM |
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Difficult one, ive got a firearms and I would not even contemplate building or acquiring a firearm without the proper paperwork.
Harsh maybe, but reading between the lines he seems to have developed a slightly lax attitude to towards firearms liscensing and the rules are there
to prevent the wrong people getting hold of weapons.
I am sure there a great many communities in the states who wish they gun laws like ours.
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blakep82
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| posted on 18/8/12 at 11:51 PM |
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yeah its harsh now, but when he goes mental and tries to blow up half the town, the same folk saying its harsh will then say why wasn't anything
done about it back then...
its a lose/lose situation i guess. but, yeah, i think its very harsh, but what was he going to do with it?!
i reckon on here, we've just about all got the materials to make some kind of firearm. even if its just a mortar made from some steel tube, a
potato, a spray of an aerosol and a lighter
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AndyW
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 05:49 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
yeah its harsh now, but when he goes mental and tries to blow up half the town, the same folk saying its harsh will then say why wasn't anything
done about it back then...
its a lose/lose situation i guess. but, yeah, i think its very harsh, but what was he going to do with it?!
i reckon on here, we've just about all got the materials to make some kind of firearm. even if its just a mortar made from some steel tube, a
potato, a spray of an aerosol and a lighter
Saves me posting a "new project suggestion" thread. Thanks!
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 07:50 AM |
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He built the device for his brother to use in American Second World War re-enactment.
Didn't know the yanks were still using cannon in WW2! Wrong war I think...
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scootz
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 09:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AdrianH
Perhaps because of this line, who knows?
'Although he had both a gun licence and an explosives licence, a number of the weapons were not registered, including the cannon.'
Adrian
Yup... the article is focusing on the canon because of the ridiculous image it conjures up. He had other unlicensed firearms in his possession which
the press are conveniently choosing not to list.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 09:47 AM |
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I would suspect that the lengthy term (minimum term for firearm offences) was as a result of having other unregistered firearms as well.
Either way, what were the snipers doing in his house, why were there so many of them, and why the need for a helicopter!?? A classic sign of the
police not doing their reconaissance or investigation work properly (if at all), and being too heavy handed with a disproportionate use of resource.
IMO of course.
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Richard.
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woodster
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 10:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyW
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
yeah its harsh now, but when he goes mental and tries to blow up half the town, the same folk saying its harsh will then say why wasn't anything
done about it back then...
its a lose/lose situation i guess. but, yeah, i think its very harsh, but what was he going to do with it?!
i reckon on here, we've just about all got the materials to make some kind of firearm. even if its just a mortar made from some steel tube, a
potato, a spray of an aerosol and a lighter
Saves me posting a "new project suggestion" thread. Thanks!
Pmsl
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woodster
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 10:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by AdrianH
Perhaps because of this line, who knows?
'Although he had both a gun licence and an explosives licence, a number of the weapons were not registered, including the cannon.'
Adrian
Yup... the article is focusing on the canon because of the ridiculous image it conjures up. He had other unlicensed firearms in his possession which
the press are conveniently choosing not to list.
You could say with this story you need to see the bigger 'picture'
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scootz
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 10:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
Either way, what were the snipers doing in his house, why were there so many of them, and why the need for a helicopter!?? A classic sign of the
police not doing their reconaissance or investigation work properly (if at all), and being too heavy handed with a disproportionate use of resource.
IMO of course.
I've often found that any cop with a gun get's lazily referred to as a 'sniper' or a 'marksman' by the press. It
was probably just a team of regular firearms officers armed with tasers, pistols and carbines.
As for the police not doing their work properly... they got their man, recovered illegal weapons and no-one was hurt. Sounds like a pretty successful
operation to me!
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wilkingj
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 11:00 AM |
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Agreed.... What you dont know is, What other weapons he had. Maybe his other unlicenced weapons were, perhaps an AK47 and 1000 rounds of ammo??
Pistols?? Who knows?? Also youu dont know what his history is, or who his friends are, or who he associated with...
There is a lot of background that will never be revealed.
Its always the same with anything like this. The press focus on one thing, and often dont even get that correct.
If the guy was able to construct a fully working cannon, it is logical to assume that he has reasonable mechanical skills and the tools to make it.
For example:
He could have been re-activating deactivated weapons for the local drug dealers etc...
OR
He could have just been an enthusiastic tinkerer, and completely harmless.
I suspect there is a LOT more to this story than is actually being reported.
We will probably never know the whole story, and what the papers write is certainly never ever the full story.
After all the Papers are in the business of selling their papers, not in having a duty to accurately report what the find out.
AKA.... Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Just my 2d's worth.
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2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 11:19 AM |
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Just because you are old does not make you immune from the law !
If the title was 21 year caught with illegal firearms, explosives and a homemade cannon what would have been the reaction?
Disabled, so what difference does this make..... non whatsoever.
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 11:49 AM |
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Ridiculous and way too harsh. The guy makes wheelchairs for injured animals and is a tinkerer just like most of us. I have been around when spud
cannons have been knocked up and a few potatoes launched but that hardly makes me or the other guys criminals......oh wait, this is Britain so it
probably does!
And as to keeping guns from criminals, what a load of bollocks! Outlawing guns means that only outlaws will have them. It is perfectly legal for me to
make 100grams of any explosives as long as it is not radioactive (your not allowed to store it though), just think what could be done with 100g of
nitroglycerin!
And before plod comes knocking on my door, my Webley Axor is regularly chrono'd and legal and fitted with a trigger lock. My crossbows are legal
and I only have target bolts and no I don't own or have ANY explosives or cannons in my home. Just in case you swat boys were getting all
excited!
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bobinspain
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 12:27 PM |
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Rumour has it that the 'Cannon Man' is being recruited for the next series of 'The Apprentice,' just so we can hear Lord Sugar
say, "Cannon man. You're fired!" (boom boom?). Naw, a bit much eh?
It's amazing what goes on in 'Peter Kaye land' these days.
Up until he came along, Bolton was famous only as the subject of a failed palindrome in Monty Python's 'Dead Parrot'
sketch.---"It's not a palindrome. A palindrome of Bolton would be Notlob. It don't work."
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 12:29 PM |
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How can you say that when you don't know what unlicensed firearms he has!?
It would be harsh if he had an air rifle that was just over the energy limit but what if he had a stack of M1's or a high powered hunting rifle
and no reason to need one.
quote:
Originally posted by Strontium Dog
Ridiculous and way too harsh. The guy makes wheelchairs for injured animals and is a tinkerer just like most of us. I have been around when spud
cannons have been knocked up and a few potatoes launched but that hardly makes me or the other guys criminals......oh wait, this is Britain so it
probably does!
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 01:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by liam.mccaffrey
How can you say that when you don't know what unlicensed firearms he has!?
It would be harsh if he had an air rifle that was just over the energy limit but what if he had a stack of M1's or a high powered hunting rifle
and no reason to need one.
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Originally posted by Strontium Dog
Ridiculous and way too harsh. The guy makes wheelchairs for injured animals and is a tinkerer just like most of us. I have been around when spud
cannons have been knocked up and a few potatoes launched but that hardly makes me or the other guys criminals......oh wait, this is Britain so it
probably does!
Personally I think if he had a stack of M1's the press might just have mentioned it! It is mentioned that he collected historic relics etc. but
no mention of any serious fire power...Except for the cannon which was built to fire blanks at the beginning of organised reenactments.
Oh and it's easy to say what I did, I have experience of the police and the justice system and I see both for what they are!
And there's this of course "Despite recommendations from the probation service to give Mr Bennett a community sentence, Judge Lindsey
Kushner jailed him for five years"
They would only have recommended a community sentence if they felt the offense was relatively minor!
[Edited on 19/8/12 by Strontium Dog]
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 01:41 PM |
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good point well put, to be fair
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 01:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by liam.mccaffrey
good point well put, to be fair
Thanks Liam, and to be fair I only know what I've read about this. It just seems so awful to have sentenced this guy to what may well have
proofed to be the rest of his life behind bars for being a lax old duffer that didn't do the paperwork he should have done!
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scootz
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 02:59 PM |
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Slightly more sensible article
here
No mention of snipers, helicopters and terminator-type cyborgs!
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Peteff
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 10:30 PM |
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He could have been another Derrick Bird or Colin Cheetham in the making though. I know people who have firearms certificates and if I was issuing them
they would never have got one. One of them actually had a Dirty Harry type Magnum before handguns were outlawed and he applied for planning permission
to build an underground range in his back garden.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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gazza285
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| posted on 20/8/12 at 12:31 AM |
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Originally posted by scootz
Slightly more sensible article
here
No mention of snipers, helicopters and terminator-type cyborgs!
It does mention the sawn off and the hand guns though...
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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02GF74
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| posted on 20/8/12 at 06:03 PM |
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Originally posted by Peteff
He could have been another Derrick Bird or Colin Cheetham in the making though.
or Michael Ryan or Thomas Hamilton ... but he wasn't so he should not be tried for a crime he did not commit.
anyways, he probably got it since he has been around firearms a long time so should have known better. To me still seems v.harsh compared to what
gets dished out for crimes that leave preople dead or seriously injured.
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