ceebmoj
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 09:30 AM |
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rear end change.
my car runs a live English axle, and I have been thinking about changing the rear to aether IRS or a dejion set-up. the two reasons im thinking of
doing it are.
1. The cost of a sierra LSD and de dion bits are less than a LSD for the English axle.
2. reducing unsprung weight
Has any one else done a similar up grade? did you go full irs or dedion?
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MikeR
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 11:25 AM |
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de-dion and stupidly I went for shortened drive shafts (to mirror the escort axle width) - which i'ev never got round to getting made so have
never completed it.
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 11:30 AM |
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Where did you get the dedion form, and if you don't mind me asking what sort of cost was it?
on a side not how should I be spelling writing dedeion? is it all one word, 'de deion' ro some other combination I have not thought of?
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scutter
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 12:11 PM |
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I'm currently swapping my Atlas for a MX5 based rear end.
The drawings are available from Vodou Autokits
Picked up a complete rear subframe, diff, shafts, disc and all for £100 off the bay. and LSD's are only around the £300 mark.
I'm making a complete new rear end for my car, have a look in my photo archive under 'Rebuild 3'
ATB Dan.
The less I worked, the more i liked it.
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spiderman
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 12:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ceebmoj
Where did you get the dedion form, and if you don't mind me asking what sort of cost was it?
on a side not how should I be spelling writing dedeion? is it all one word, 'de deion' ro some other combination I have not thought of?
de dion.
Spider
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 01:46 PM |
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Why is it an upgrade ? There is nothing wrong with the live axle and it is nice and simple. Rorty had some De Dion drawings on his website and it is
in the files on the site as well here.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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scutter
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 01:51 PM |
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I'm upgrading because of the price of old atlas lsd's
The less I worked, the more i liked it.
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scutter
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 01:51 PM |
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I'm upgrading because of the price of old atlas lsd's
The less I worked, the more i liked it.
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twybrow
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 02:37 PM |
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Put in a Quaife LSD and be done with it - not worth the hastle of changing to a dedion or IRS in my opinion, but then if you like the challenge of the
build, then go for it! Dont forget to factor in the cost of all the fabircation, the diff, hubs, hub carriers and shafts, and finally a proper setup
with someone who actually understands what they are doing... IT has been said on here before many times, but an averagely set up IRS, will perform
worse than the average builder can setup a live axle (if that makes sense!)....
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 03:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by twybrow
Put in a Quaife LSD and be done with it
When I looked
The cost of fitting the Quaife LSD to my English axle was 600 for the diff. Where as the de dion tube is 150 ish witch leave a resnoble sum for the
sierra diff and bits.
Blake
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TimC
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 04:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ceebmoj
quote:
Originally posted by twybrow
Put in a Quaife LSD and be done with it
When I looked
The cost of fitting the Quaife LSD to my English axle was 600 for the diff. Where as the de dion tube is 150 ish witch leave a resnoble sum for the
sierra diff and bits.
Blake
£463 DELIVERED plus fitting, so yep - c.£600.
Probably very little in it cost wise.
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scutter
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 04:34 PM |
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That's the thing, an atlas lsd is 7-800 plus fitting and vat. I'd be looking at a 1K upgrade.
As mine came as a complete assembly, I was able to measure all the pick up points for the wishbones. The Vodou wishbones match the mx5's in all
respects and I've heard no bad reports on how a mx5 handles.
Atb Dan.
The less I worked, the more i liked it.
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owelly
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 05:17 PM |
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I did mine. Some piccies here: http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g185/moshty/LSRalfa/de-dion
I paid £30 for a complete XR4x4 rear subframe complete with diff, shafts hubs etc. I used £20 Diahatsu calipers and the rest was cobbled together
using whatever bits of steel I had kicking about. Mine was built so I can just unbolt it and refit the live axle if I need to.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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ian locostzx9rc2
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 05:45 PM |
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Surely once you have a lsd in your axle it will not break so it will work out cheaper in the long run.I have had a few strikers both live axle
(english) and ind suspension and i think the live axle cars handle better and are lighter...
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beaver34
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| posted on 17/9/12 at 07:29 PM |
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English axle setup is lighter that irs
What power do you have?
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 18/9/12 at 12:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TimC
£463 DELIVERED plus fitting, so yep - c.£600.
Probably very little in it cost wise.
Where have you seen them for that price the best I have seen them for was £6XX delivered.
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scutter
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| posted on 18/9/12 at 06:54 AM |
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Having seen every axle type on various cars, I'd have to agree with Beaver, nothing is lighter than an English axle and they are hard to mess up
with regards to set up.
Atb Dan.
The less I worked, the more i liked it.
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dhutch
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| posted on 18/9/12 at 07:45 AM |
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There appears to be some confusion between the ford ENGLISH axle and the ford ATLAS axle, which as far as im concerned are totally diffrent beasts and
only common so much as they are both ford made live axles.
I have a ford english in the back of the westfeild and also thought the price of a Quaife atb was around £5-600 depending on if you installed it
yourself or had it installed. I have considered it, but never considered remaking the rear end. As said, unless you have the time and like a
project/challenge I dont see it making any sense.
Daniel
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TimC
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| posted on 18/9/12 at 08:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ceebmoj
quote:
Originally posted by TimC
£463 DELIVERED plus fitting, so yep - c.£600.
Probably very little in it cost wise.
Where have you seen them for that price the best I have seen them for was £6XX delivered.
Burton Power
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