tcr
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 posted on 16/11/12 at 12:09 PM |
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VOSA what a croc of sh1t
just had a call from vosa saying they will NOT accept my iva application as all the receipts are not in my name !!! so basically if you now buy a part
built kit car you can no longer register it for the road . iv never heard of this before has anyone else?
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 12:18 PM |
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Just make you own receipts, ms words your friend
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40inches
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 12:25 PM |
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I bought my MK as a part built, 11 years ago, way before the requirement for receipts came into the equation.
When this became a requirement I went back to the person I got it from, and he made me out a receipt detailing every single thing that I paid for. I
haven't kept receipts for many of the parts I purchased before 2007, but Microsoft Word/Excel is a wonderful thing
Couldn't you either go back to whoever you got yours from, or "sell" it to a friend and "buy" it back with a full
inventory on a receipt?
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T66
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 01:07 PM |
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That doesnt sound right, if they are unhappy with the cars origins then it gets a Q plate. Who are vosa to deny home built cars registration based on
your name not being on a receipt?
ask to speak to someone else, or ring another vosa office
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tcr
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 01:14 PM |
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thats ok but what happens if they question it when we go to apply again
i asked him what does it matter how many ppl were involved in the build process as long as it passes the iva test and he didnt have an answer
[Edited on 16/11/12 by tcr]
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RichardK
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 01:20 PM |
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Sell to a mate and buy them back with separate receipts or just make them up and go to another vosa center.
Simples
Hope you get sorted mate
Rich
[Edited on 16/11/12 by RichardK]
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jps
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 01:24 PM |
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Where's the requirement for receipts for everything documented? I have bought a part-built chassis, and a donor from e-Bay in a private sale, so
need to know if I need to start 'filling in gaps' in paperwork...!
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tcr
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 01:38 PM |
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if i was you make sure every receipt you have or will be getting has your name on them via the previous suggestions above . the guy at the vosa office
was a complete dick ! i said to him so your telling me iv paid £xxxx for a car i cant put on the road , his reply was yeah but thats your problem not
mine 
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 01:42 PM |
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My experience of VOSA has been good, the DVLA is a different matter. Might be worth speaking to someone else at VOSA..
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tcr
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 01:46 PM |
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apparently all the iva applications get processed by just one bloke , he also said the build pics look like they were took in a factory when you can
clearly see its a garage at the side of someones house ffs
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 01:49 PM |
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Ask to speak to his manager?? Sounds like a jobsworth...
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tcr
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 02:04 PM |
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apparently they are no longer to allow kits that have not been built from scratch by the person applying for the iva test !!! which is going to kill
the market for part build kits
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jps
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 02:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tcr
apparently they are no longer to allow kits that have not been built from scratch by the person applying for the iva test !!! which is going to kill
the market for part build kits
Hmmm.... Sounds like a load of rubbish to me. Define 'built from scratch'... Do you need to quarry the iron ore for the steel yourself?
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tcr
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 02:13 PM |
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the same person who starts the build has to finish it and iva it !!!
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jps
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 02:20 PM |
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Yeah, my point is that how do you define 'starting the build'... I was being a bit facetious... But taken to it's logical extension
- a 'kit' is part built - i.e. someone else has welded the chassis together, etc...
You've had me worrying - but here's something to throw back at them (hopefully)...
When you apply for IVA you have to also submit an amateur build declaration (at least the current info on Business Link suggests this - hopefully
it's not out of date).
On this form (http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/Transport_files/119_IVA_Amateur_Built_Declaration1010.doc)
one of the options to be ticked is "The vehicle was partially built by an individual... ... and I purchased the vehicle and completed the
assembly of the vehicle..."
How can it not be an allowable way to have built a car if it is there on the form as an option??!!!
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tcr
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 02:28 PM |
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On this form (http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/Transport_files/119_IVA_Amateur_Built_Declaration1010.doc)
one of the options to be ticked is "The vehicle was partially built by an individual... ... and I purchased the vehicle and completed the
assembly of the vehicle..."
How can it not be an allowable way to have built a car if it is there on the form as an option??!!!
because they have changed it without altering the forms or telling anyone about it ... trust me i asked in (a rather loud voice )
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tcr
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 02:34 PM |
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no doubt the price of rotten old duttons are about to go up soon ha ha ha
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T66
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 03:38 PM |
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This sounds like one dickheads interpretation here, if for example MK supply me a chassis, I didnt build it , they did...so no IVA ?
This still doesnt sound right.
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jps
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 03:52 PM |
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The Amateur Built declaration itself says that it is based on the following legislation
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009/717/made
If that legislation hasn't been changed (and seen as it was passed in 2009 I'd suggest it fairly unlikely AND would certainly have been
something that kit car builders would have been jumping up and down about) then VOSA can't just 'change the rules'...
Agree - it sounds like you've just come up against an awkward person...
[Edited on 16/11/12 by jps]
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jps
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 04:01 PM |
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In fact - here's the specific bit (i've bolded for clarity):
A vehicle is an amateur built vehicle if—
(a)the vehicle was—
(i)constructed or assembled or
(ii)having previously been registered under the 1994 Act, structurally modified,
for the personal use of a person (R) who is a relevant individual, and
(b)the whole, or a substantial part, of the construction, assembly or modification was carried out—
(i)by R,
(ii)by one or more relevant individuals acting on behalf, and under the direction, of R, or
(iii)by R and one or more relevant individuals acting on behalf, and under the direction, of R.
It doesn't say it has to solely be built by the person presenting it for IVA. It just says a 'substantial part' of the work has to
be carried out by the person who is the intended user... And, although I haven't bolded it, line (ii) even says you can ask someone else to do
all that work on your behalf!!!
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Peteff
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 04:17 PM |
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I know it was years ago and SVA at the time but I didn't need to show any receipts for the test, only when it came to registering the car and
then they only gave the envelope full of receipts a cursory glance.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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tcr
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 05:41 PM |
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Well i dont know if it was just him being an arse or not but thats what he said on the phone
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chillis
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 05:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tcr
Well i dont know if it was just him being an arse or not but thats what he said on the phone
Can only suggest appealing the refusal, the case would then have to be looked at and the reason for refusal compared against the letter of the IVA
regulation.
Even if the car was built at a factory it's acceptable so long as you have a reciept to show you requested the work and you are not in the car
building business.
How do kit car companies like Westfield and Caterham get turn key cars through the IVA?
Never under estimate the ingenuity of an idiot!
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nick205
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 08:29 PM |
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Sell it me for a £1 and I'll sell it back for £1 with an itemised receipt from Vic's Onourably Source Autos 
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iank
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| posted on 16/11/12 at 09:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chillis
How do kit car companies like Westfield and Caterham get turn key cars through the IVA?
They don't need to, the way they sell complete cars is using small series type approval
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/vehicletype/national-small-series.asp
Simplifying they do an extra hard IVA test on a specfic model (say R500) and then in return for promising to build them all exactly the same they get
a big book of pre-passed MAC forms up to a maximum number per year.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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