david_hornet27
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:07 PM |
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Never thought I'd write this...
As someone who loves cars I never thought I would be interested in a Prius 
My mileage has increased dramatically over the last 6 months and I seem to be spending an absolute fortune on petrol! At the moment I have a choice
of my toy car or a 19 year old Transit or a 4 litre Lexus to drive into work. I have stopped using the Lexus and have started driving the Transit for
my daily commute but it is still costing me far more than I want.
I have a budget of £3000, and my mission is to find the most economical and reliable motor I can for that money. I'm thinking Prius 
There is this for sale 2 miles away from me...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201401311454670/sort/default/usedcars/radius/35/make/toyota/postcode/rg20dh/model/prius/page/1/price-to/
3000/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew?logcode=p
Has anyone got experience of these things? What should I be looking for in the way of problems? Can someone suggest an alternative?
Thanks in advance.
'If everything seems under control you're just not going fast enough' - Mario Andretti
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twybrow
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:12 PM |
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Have you driven one yet? Snoooooooze!
I would also be worried about the batteries - how many years are they supposed to last? What is the cost of replacement? I suspect the cars are cheap
as the battery change is not!
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daniel mason
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:13 PM |
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am pretty sure the vw lupo diesel is supposed to be very economical and within budget! should be reliable enough and sell easily when the time comes!
the only downside is you'll be driving a vw lupo
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david_hornet27
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
am pretty sure the vw lupo diesel is supposed to be very economical and within budget! should be reliable enough and sell easily when the time comes!
the only downside is you'll be driving a vw lupo
Yep I had a similar idea (Seat Arosa) but I just don't think I could handle being seen out in it! The Prius isn't much better I know but
I don't think I'd feel quite as embarrassed.
'If everything seems under control you're just not going fast enough' - Mario Andretti
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HowardB
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:16 PM |
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driving a merc c220 with 170k on the clock and it is still turning in 55mpg,.. amazing,. and more comfy than a transit 
I drove it to Inverness the other week, so comfy in fact, I decided to drive some more
Howard
Fisher Fury was 2000 Zetec - now a 1600 (it Lives again and goes zoom)
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blakep82
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by HowardB
driving a merc c220 with 170k on the clock and it is still turning in 55mpg,.. amazing,. and more comfy than a transit
I drove it to Inverness the other week, so comfy in fact, I decided to drive some more
my 1999 A4 with 187k on it still gives 50mpg average (and can run veg oil...)
i'm not suggesting you get one, but i'm saying prius figures really aren't that impressive in my opinion, after you've taken
into account the age and technology difference, and that its been designed to be as efficient as possible
as for design efficiency, why is it petrol and not diesel?!
[Edited on 10/2/14 by blakep82]
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theduck
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:24 PM |
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A Prius won't be efficient on long journeys. You need to look at blue motion polo/golf/passat or similar super diesels, mk 2 Clio 1.5dci is
another good option. Avoid vauxhall/fiat 1.3diesel though as they are terrible.
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sheepish0001
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:24 PM |
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I had a Prius as a works car for 3 years 96k miles and I averaged 46mpg over the life of it, although lots of motorway cruising, I found the car was
not the best mpg car I've had and was bland and average at everything else.
hope it helps
Shaun
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:27 PM |
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LPG the Lexus?
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ste
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:35 PM |
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I converted my vectra 1.8 to lpg, kit cost £280 and paid for itself in 3 months. 65p a litre thanks very much
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rdodger
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:37 PM |
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No to the Prius!
A local taxi driver has a Prius and told me the other day he was happy with the 45mpg he gets.
My Audi is far better.
My last 3 company cars have been Golf 2.0TDi, Seat Leon FR 2.0TDi and now an A3 2.0 TDi
All 3 did an average of between 48 and 53 mpg over 3 years and each did 85000 miles with a mix of 50% motorway 50% urban.
If economy is what you are after then a Bluemotion Golf or Polo would be my pick.
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chrism
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:43 PM |
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You would be better off with a small diesel such as a Fiesta or Polo, you get get one within your budget and will get cheap tax and insurance to boot
with over 60mpg easily achievable.
I wouldnt go with a cheap old prius as like others have said the batteries dont last forever and are expensive to replace and your still going to get
better economy from a small engined hatch back.
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Matt21
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 08:55 PM |
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you are better off spending £1000 on a car, 1.9tdi Passat or something?
then you have instantly saved £2000, work out how long it will take you to spend £2000 on fuel!!!
12k miles per year
average 35mpg
£6.44 per gallon of diesel
12000/35=342.86
342.86 x 6.44 = £2208
so basically you get 12k miles worth of 'free' driving
I bought an e46 330 coupe (petrol) two years ago, it was half the price of the equivalent 3litre diesel and I have done over 25k miles and I have just
gone over what it would have cost to buy the 330d!!!
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Doctor Derek Doctors
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 09:00 PM |
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406 HDi, I bought one for £725 and used to get 57mpg doing mostly motorway driving. It also had a tow bar, loads of toys, was massive inside, comfy
and completely anonymous unlike a Prius which just shouts "I,m a bell end"
Although I'm picking up my new Fiesta ecoonetic tomorrow, 78.5 mpg!
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whitestu
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| posted on 10/2/14 at 09:29 PM |
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I had a Prius for four years. For me it was fantastic - I had an 04 Passat tdi before and the Prius did double the MPG for most of my driving which
was in central London stop start traffic.
The Prius would do 50 where the Passat did 25, but on the motorway both were about the same.
In traffic the Prius was quicker off the line up to about 50 but anywhere else was much slower. It was also quite noisy at motorway speeds.
Sounded like a bag of nails by the time it went at 50k miles though, but nothing ever actually went wrong.
Stu
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Dusty
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 12:13 AM |
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I have two W reg polo saloons both in perfect condition, an 1.9 SDI which does 65mpg and a 1.9TDI which does 60mpg but goes pretty well. Huge boot and
very comfortable. Very different to the hatch polos. Both sit at 85+ on the motorway, the SDI just takes till next friday to get up to that speed.
Spend so far £1,700. Diesel Cordobas are the same.
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nick205
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 02:05 AM |
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Something with a1.6 HDI PSA engine will get you further for less than a Pious and in better style too.
Volvo, Ford, Citroen and of course Peugeot use the engine.
The V50 eDrive, whilst a truly disappointing vehicle in so many ways can be made to return 70+mpg on the motorway and with start/stop it doesn't
drop that much on urban routes either.
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jossey
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 07:51 AM |
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My thought.
Get a 5 series bimmer pre 2008 n run it on bio diesel.... I did this for 230k miles.... No dpf filter change no issues apart from in winter I used 50%
or it can clog up when under 5 degree. Costs 99p a litre n the car did 45mpg average so about 9p a mile compared to 14p normal fuel...
Second option any old car with Bosch fuel pump will work with above....
Get a fiesta diesel they can do over 60mpg
Get a LPG conversion for ye Lexus
If you get a Prius the battery replacement used to be 5k after. 5 years :-( ouch...
Bio diesel is the future...
A diesel car running at 45 mpg on diesel does the equivalent of 62mpg when run on bio... Based on pence per mile....
If you can get an old diesel to run on bio like a passat which could do 55mpg then that's more like 72mpg equivalent......
Plus you can make your own bio for a few p a mile. Cost of muslin cloth n drums n adaptive snow heater about 17p a mile that's equivalent of
437 mpg.......
But I did it for 3 month my garden stunk of chip fat my house did too my garage was awful and oil spills everywhere my drive was trashed with chip fat
spills.... And I was hungry lol
MY MRS HAS THE 2009 econetic fiesta. Great car only a 1.0 but I have used it for work a few times and it's great. Only get about 63mpg average
over a long journey but that's ok for me. Cost £170 to lease a month for 3 year no deposit..
My BMW 116d does about 65mpg average so not much in it really.... Would not recommend this car though.
[Edited on 11/2/14 by jossey]
Thanks
David Johnson
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r1_pete
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 07:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Doctor Derek Doctors
406 HDi, I bought one for £725 and used to get 57mpg doing mostly motorway driving. It also had a tow bar, loads of toys, was massive inside, comfy
and completely anonymous unlike a Prius which just shouts "I,m a bell end"
Although I'm picking up my new Fiesta ecoonetic tomorrow, 78.5 mpg!
+1 for the Econetic Fiesta's, daughters had one a few months, after her Citroen went unrelliable (and admitting Daddy was right when he said
don't buy a Citroen). She see's 65 mpg easily, its roomy and comfy, wife's thinking about one too, can't understand why they
don't have temperature gauges though.
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Slimy38
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 08:02 AM |
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Whenever I hear someone looking at a Prius, I send them the youtube video of Top Gear doing Prius vs M3. With the Prius running flat out and the M3
just keeping up, the M3 returned better MPG.
In my humble opinion, the car has very little to do with MPG, it's mostly the driving style. A bog standard diesel saloon or hatchback will give
similar MPG for a lot less hassle. Bluemotion would be my preference, but I'm not sure you'd get one for 3k yet. But even a Mondeo/Focus
TDCi gives decent MPG.
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Irony
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 09:47 AM |
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I have had this argument with a couple of people over the last few days. My family are all diesel lovers and won't drive anything else despite
the evidence. My nephew insisted on buying a small diesel vauxhall for £1300 with 110K on the clock insisting its the best option. I said just
compare small petrol engines first. To his annoyance my SEAT ibiza 1.4mpi is better on fuel!
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Irony
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 09:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Irony
I have had this argument with a couple of people over the last few days. My family are all diesel lovers and won't drive anything else despite
the evidence. My nephew insisted on buying a small diesel vauxhall for £1300 with 110K on the clock insisting its the best option. I said just
compare small petrol engines first. To his annoyance my SEAT ibiza 1.4mpi is better on fuel!
He does drive like a chav though.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 10:42 AM |
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A guy I work with does 130 miles a day commuting and he's a archetypal Scotsman with a padlock on his wallet, he runs a Megane 1.5 dci. He
regularly gets 65 to the gallon. Apart from front wishbones and an oil change every 6 months it's not caused any bother at all. Only 30 a year
tax too.
Depends on the type of car your after, small and frugal I would go for a lupo tdi (if you can find one they're rare) quite good fun to drive.
If you want bigger and comfier I would look at the passat or my personal choice an s60 D5, was surprised at how economical these are and what an
engine!!
Somewhere in the middle look at a Megane.
Anything but a Prius!!!!!!!
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 12:50 PM |
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Prius is designed *specifically* for start-stop efficiency gains, on smooth long runs it's going to be pretty much the same as a normal car of
the same sort of engine size. Anyone who buys one for motorway use was mis-sold their car. It gets the bulk of it's gains through regenerative
braking and taking the acceleration phase away from the petrol engine, which is a great idea if you start-stop all day, but if you run motorway miles,
or do long distances without changing speed much, it's limited.
I get a consistent 45 no matter how I batter the hell out of my 306HDi and it owes me nothing at all. I've had 65 out of it once on the motorway
but got a bit bored and never normally get over 55 any more.
[Edited on 11/2/14 by coyoteboy]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 11/2/14 at 01:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
I get a consistent 45 no matter how I batter the hell out of my 306HDi and it owes me nothing at all. I've had 65 out of it once on the motorway
but got a bit bored and never normally get over 55 any more.
I used to get 65mph out of my petrol 106 on the motorway (at a constant 65mph) and 45-50 if I wasn't being as careful
but only 37 - 40mpg round the back roads
so as above its horses for courses, but whatever you get the results are going to be amplified by your driving style 
also factor in the price difference in the fuels (diesel is about 5% more per l) and the extra maintenance costs of complex turbocharged, commonrail,
EGR and DPF systems and don't forget that short start stop driving will kill these faster
the general rule of thumb is small, light cars with skinny tyres will use less fuel
my new(ish) tin-top is a 1.8 petrol c-max (duratec HE), the last one was a 1.8 focus (blacktop zetec E)
on paper the new one is a couple of MPG better and a group lower on the car tax / CO²
in reality its a couple of MPG worse then the old one
its alot taller, heavier and has bigger tyres - all the new tech helps, but I'd still be better off with the smaller car...
[Edited on 11/2/2014 by mcerd1]
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