I don't think he would have been doing anything over 30, the low wide stance of the car and the satin black finish give the illusion of speed
even when stood still..... Your Honour
30-40?
Doesn't seem to be braking during the impact. Car pulled out right infront of the lambo so from that angle I'd say not his fault. Would
like to see another video angle though - if it turns out the lambo was doing 70mph out of shot then that would change my opinion.
It appears that he didn't actually get on the brakes until after the impact. That thing would stop on sixpence at that speed which does pose the
question why didn't it?
Doesn't matter whether the mazda was imprudent or otherwise pulling out as the Lambo ends up hitting him, not the other way round ergo the mazda
is in front on the road and if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
If he was only doing the speed limit then there was no need to crash at all, whatever the mazda was doing.
quote:Originally posted by ravingfool
Definitely the lambo's fault.
Doesn't matter whether the mazda was imprudent or otherwise pulling out as the Lambo ends up hitting him, not the other way round ergo the mazda
is in front on the road and if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
If he was only doing the speed limit then there was no need to crash at all, whatever the mazda was doing.
Idiot.
The classic defence of people who come across a give-way without looking.
If you look at the video the mazda doesn't appear to be going across at speed or wrecklessly.
We don't have all the information on the situation so it's a bit daft to cast blame on the mazda when at the end of the day what we can
see is a lambo driving into an obstacle in the road.
If I had a lambo I'd be making damn sure I didn't drive into anything!
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posted on 1/4/14 at 01:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by ravingfool
Definitely the lambo's fault.
Doesn't matter whether the mazda was imprudent or otherwise pulling out as the Lambo ends up hitting him, not the other way round ergo the mazda
is in front on the road and if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
If he was only doing the speed limit then there was no need to crash at all, whatever the mazda was doing.
Idiot.
That doesn't make any sense at all. What if I run a red light and you can't stop or avoid me
quote:Originally posted by ravingfool
Definitely the lambo's fault.
Doesn't matter whether the mazda was imprudent or otherwise pulling out as the Lambo ends up hitting him, not the other way round ergo the mazda
is in front on the road and if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
If he was only doing the speed limit then there was no need to crash at all, whatever the mazda was doing.
Idiot.
The Mazda driver was clearly driving without due care and attention. Do you think he'd have pulled out into traffic and caused a collision on
purpose? The Lambo was on the main carriageway and as such has the right of way.......
quote:Originally posted by ravingfool
Definitely the lambo's fault.
Doesn't matter whether the mazda was imprudent or otherwise pulling out as the Lambo ends up hitting him, not the other way round ergo the mazda
is in front on the road and if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
If he was only doing the speed limit then there was no need to crash at all, whatever the mazda was doing.
Idiot.
I'd disagree with that (first sentence at least). If he had hit the Mazda back end then yes I'd have said the Mazda had completed
it's move in time and was now part of the traffic flow. But he hit the front, which means that the Mazda left the pull out too late. (in my
humble opinion)
But the lambo could have stopped in a car length, either they were going too fast or they were incapable of reacting quick enough.
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posted on 1/4/14 at 01:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by ravingfool
if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
Not true. If the person in front makes an unreasonable move (excessive brake force, or pulls into your path) then it is not deemed your fault. You
cannot be expected to drive and prepare yourself for any and every eventuality.
quote:Originally posted by ravingfool
Definitely the lambo's fault.
Doesn't matter whether the mazda was imprudent or otherwise pulling out as the Lambo ends up hitting him, not the other way round ergo the mazda
is in front on the road and if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
If he was only doing the speed limit then there was no need to crash at all, whatever the mazda was doing.
Idiot.
I'd disagree with that (first sentence at least). If he had hit the Mazda back end then yes I'd have said the Mazda had completed
it's move in time and was now part of the traffic flow. But he hit the front, which means that the Mazda left the pull out too late. (in my
humble opinion)
But the lambo could have stopped in a car length, either they were going too fast or they were incapable of reacting quick enough.
I don't know, they way I watched the video it looked more like the mazda was starting to pull out and then they slowed down because of the lambo
arriving either quickly or unseen (baring in mind we don't know what obstructions to view there may have been or how fast the lambo was
approaching because of the video angle).
In my opinion the sheer fact that the lambo drove into the near side of the mazda indicates that it was going too fast or not paying attention;
regardless of whether the mazda was right to pull out at that time or not. I'm certainly not saying that the mazda was definitely in the right,
only that the lambo is definitely in the wrong.
I'm sure 99% of the drivers here would probably think that in the same situation they would have been able to stop a lambo before it hit that
mazda if they were only doing the speed limit!
quote:Originally posted by ravingfool
if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
Not true. If the person in front makes an unreasonable move (excessive brake force, or pulls into your path) then it is not deemed your fault. You
cannot be expected to drive and prepare yourself for any and every eventuality.
Agreed, as a general statement it is true but of course if you are driving recklessly that's not the case. If you hit a stationary object in
the road that's basically on you though.
You have to drive within the limits of the situation and if you come round a blind corner and crash into a stationary vehicle that's your fault,
doesn't matter if you were doing 30 in a 40 if you should have been driving at a crawl because you couldn't see round the bend!
Seems like the time between the mazda pulling out and the lambo hitting it should have been plenty for the lambo to come to a stop.
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posted on 1/4/14 at 01:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by ravingfool
Definitely the lambo's fault.
Doesn't matter whether the mazda was imprudent or otherwise pulling out as the Lambo ends up hitting him, not the other way round ergo the mazda
is in front on the road and if you drive into anything in front of you it's automatically your fault.
If he was only doing the speed limit then there was no need to crash at all, whatever the mazda was doing.
Idiot.
lol
so if i sit at a junction, pulling out theres a car about 8m away, making sure he goes into the side of me, then i get a new car on his insurance,
even with video evidence he drove out in front of me leaving zero reaction time?
doesn't seem right...
of course with only about 2m space by the time i'm in front, if he's going bang on the speed limit, theres no need to crash at all. in
fact, i'll do it on a dual carriageway, do a proper job on the car?
doesn't really work, does it?
if zero reaction time and being able to stop in an instant was possible, i might agree, but its just not
