PaulM
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 12:10 PM |
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New Project - Part finished Indy with Zetec - HELP!
I picked up a part finished MK Indy at the weekend for the (I think) bargain price of £2500!! It looks 80% ready to go with only some dash wiring,
mirrors, indicators, bonnet, nose and cycle wings to sort, plus some general tidying….however….
I’m hoping some of you Zetec or MK Indy gurus out there can point me in the right direction on the carbs/intake setup. There’s bike carbs on there
but they look to have been stripped of some of the parts and I’m not 100% convinced they are the correct ones for the engine! Does anyone recognise
what they are or what options I have for getting the engine up and running easily? It is fitted with a Megasquirt which apparently has a base map on
it and the engine was a runner prior to having the bits removed.
I can do some better pictures when I get home but wanted to put this ‘out there’ in case anyone can spot something from the pics I already have?
Thanks
Paul
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SJ
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 12:32 PM |
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Looks like a great buy!
Stu
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PaulM
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 12:36 PM |
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I certainly hope so.... apparently it was bought as a runner but not finished. The guy then started to do some work on it but I don't think
everything is there to just put it all back together. I'm hoping there's a simple way of just getting it up and running ...maybe without
the bike carbs?
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SJ
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 12:44 PM |
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Looks like you have throttle bodies, not carbs, and a Megasquirt so I certainly wouldn't be dumping them.
Stu
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PaulM
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 12:52 PM |
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Geez.... I've been looking at these things all weekend and hadn't twigged they aren't carbs! .....I will hold my head in shame!
Although thinking about it, it actually doesn't help that much as I'll need to still figure out what they are and how to get them working
with this engine. There's no obvious markings whilst fitted so I'll probably have to take them off and have a good look over them.
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 02:10 PM |
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It's not very clear from the photos, but it looks like there's a fuel header and injectors right at the intake manifold, you've got
the throttle bodies, with throttle cable on the right-hand end and throttle-pot on the left, the zetec has a sensor that reads crank position from the
flywheel, you'll have a water temperature sensor somewhere, you've got a wasted spark ignition system and an ECU to run it all. Assuming
there is a high-pressure fuel pump feeding it all, you may well have pretty well all you need to get it running. You can download programming software
for the Megasquirt and as long as you get a suitable USB to serial adapter lead, you are away (not all leads work with Megasquirt though).
If everything is there, you don't even need to know what make the throttle bodies are - many people have used old bike carbs as throttle bodies
with no problem. It's only a case of making sure the linkages are set up correctly, balancing the flows and making sure there is the right idle
air bleed as far as I can see.
[Edited on 5/10/15 by SteveWalker]
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40inches
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 02:42 PM |
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Put your location in your profile, very handy if one of us is near you, to lend a hand 
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PaulM
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 02:53 PM |
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Thanks Steve - Yeah I think most of what you've mentioned is there and there's some pretty ropy looking attempt at a linkage between the
two sets of bodies, so I'm sure that could be improved. The TPS pot which isn't visible, is on the end of a length of loom VERY badly
fitted/insulated! I need to work out how and where to connect that. I'm pretty sure the pump is a high pressure one, so it sounds like it is a
lot closer than I thought. I'll take some better pictures close up of the manifold as it looks like it is a butchered Ford one and
doesn't seem to line up too well.
I also have the megasquirt lead which is a bonus! :-)
Location updated.... help is always welcome! :-)
[Edited on 5/10/15 by PaulM]
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40inches
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 03:17 PM |
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Too far for me  , but you are very close to one of the best respected tuning experts in the country.
He is a member on here, might be worth dropping him a message, to see if he could help. His rates are very reasonable.
LINK
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/members/BaileyPerformance/
[Edited on 5-10-15 by 40inches]
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PaulM
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| posted on 5/10/15 at 03:38 PM |
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Thanks for the pointer....I'll consider that a fall back option! There's no fun in just paying someone to do it for you :-)
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PaulM
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| posted on 6/10/15 at 08:16 AM |
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I took the throttle bodies off last night and also took a load of pictures of the manifold. In short…
- The throttle bodies are Mikuni ones but I’m not sure which ones. They look similar to some listed on eBay as Yamaha Fazer FZ6 ones …
eBay Advert HERE
- The manifold looks like a butchered original one but I’m not sure why it has been chopped and repaired when the spacer between the two sets of
bodies could just be lengthened or use some threaded bar and nuts to space it correctly
- Still not sure about the TPS as it doesn’t look like it will fit anywhere, but it does look like there’s one already fitted to the throttle bodies.
Someone has dotted the pins on both, to mark them up though.
I think the manifold will do to get it up and running but I’d have no confidence in it as a long term solution. It also looks like I need to find a
way to hook up the throttle cable?
I’ve uploaded loads of pictures to this gallery…GALLERY HERE
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BaileyPerformance
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| posted on 6/10/15 at 08:38 AM |
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Looks like megasquirt driving the stock set of injectors, air via a set of bike TBs (with injectors removed)
If its any help, we can offer a "get you running" service? I assume you will need a CAT for emissions test?
Drop me a txt or U2U if you would like any help.
www.facebook.com/baileyperformance
07967 222 967
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NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
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PaulM
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| posted on 6/10/15 at 11:16 AM |
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Great, thanks for the offer. I'm going to see how much of it I can get back together myself first and I'll drop you a note if I get
stuck.
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ragindave
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| posted on 7/10/15 at 08:59 AM |
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I love bike carbs they are by far the best value BHP for your £.
If you have Mega squirt you could probably use this to run the engine with bike carbs.
But Nodiz would get my vote for its simplicity.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 7/10/15 at 01:50 PM |
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Remember bike carbs are great but for IVA on a post '95 engine you will need injection and a cat to pass so I would stick with what you have,
get it set up, add a cat to the exhaust and for very little extra outlay you will have a reliable 160 hp (assuming it is a 2.0l).
Good luck getting it all sorted.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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PaulM
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| posted on 7/10/15 at 02:36 PM |
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I think you've pretty much nailed it there as there was an ugly but functional cat / exhaust included with the deal so I expect that is what the
previous builder was doing. How do I tell what size engine it is....anything physically different about them?
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Paul Turner
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| posted on 7/10/15 at 02:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulM
How do I tell what size engine it is....
On the inlet side of the block just behind the oil filter there is a number cast. 2.0 for a 2 litre and 1.8 for an 1800.
The engine number stamped on the exhaust side lug near the crank sensor will also give you a clue.
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PaulM
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| posted on 10/10/15 at 10:38 PM |
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Excellent.....it is a 2.0!
It's coming together quite nicely now as it looks like the guy that had it before me had simply stripped a few parts off and put them in a box.
He told me he'd seen it running when he bought it but I took that with a pinch of salt at the time. I've bought some new silicone
reducers to improve the grip on the throttle bodies but other than that all the bits appear to be in the box.
The throttle position sensor has got me at the moment though. It looks like someone has hooked up an alternative (possibly standard?) TPS in favour
of the one that is on the bike throttle bodies, but they've also dotted the pins on both as there's no plug in use, just spade
connectors.
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