Fcck2000
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| posted on 13/10/16 at 08:22 PM |
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Ecoboost engine conversion
Not heard anyone discuss this on here before
Does anyone have any experience of the Ecoboost engine? £1500 buys a low miles 15k 250bhp stock engine, add a decent manifold and exhaust a little
mapping and surely 300bhp would be easily and safely achievable?
I've just been looking into upgrading my 2ltr NA Duratec to FI Supercharged and been getting some costs for the work, I'll have to upgrade
rods and pistons, add a woodruff key to the crank then buy all the parts before labour I'm getting in the 5k mark!
Questions are does this engine work inline (any oil supply issues), is there any sump kits out there (dry or wet baffled), any ideas on engine weight,
any such thing as a rear wheel drive double clutch gearbox being fitted? will the Mk 4 5sp gearbox mount to the engine?
Thoughts on a conversion? in my Tiger Super 6 or sell the Super 6 and fit to something more modern/lighter? I like the thought of a Avon with Ecoboost
fitted.
Paul
Tiger SSC
220bhp on standard MZR Duratec engine with throttle bodies and mild camshaft upgrade.
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jeffw
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| posted on 13/10/16 at 08:42 PM |
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Used in the Formula Ford Mygales which where raced and now sprinted by various people so will work inline.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 13/10/16 at 09:25 PM |
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I'm currently building a westfield with one. Although not using the crate kit that westfield sell. My build thread is here
build thread
Basically mk3 mx5 5 speed box bolts straight up using mk3 mx5 flywheel, clutch, and starter. I've gone for a competition clutch stage 2.
I'm using the Ford racing controls pack which comes with ecu, harness, uego sensor, fly by wire pedal, fuse and relay box and a few other bits.
Ready mapped out of the box with an 80lbft increase in torque over the standard map. Whispers are this will be come tunable in the near future.
Engine weight is around the 140kgs with flywheel and all ancillaries and turbo.
Engines are cheap. I got a 2014 engine with less than 10k on it for around 1700 and I sold the dmf, clutch, starter and ac compressor.
Sump wise I'm hoping to get away with standard as I'm using a scooped bonnet. If using a shorter sump there will be mods needed as
I'm pretty sure there's a balancer shaft in there. I'd imagine the sumps will be same bolt pattern as the duratec.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 13/10/16 at 09:30 PM |
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Just to say. If your going with other aftermarket ecu, the mapping of the direct injection can be tricky and very very time consuming I.e pricy. Sbd
have done a lot with the mbe ecu but on the 1.6 engine. Your looking at 1500 to 2000 for management.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 13/10/16 at 09:38 PM |
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Life engineering I think also do an ecu, as said before I think this is around £2k. The current owners of the R1ot are doing a conversion kit I think
for both 1.6 and 2.0 ecoboost. I'd be tempted to transplant the engine and full car loom trimming off the non essential parts and keep it stock,
mountune are doing a remap I think.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 13/10/16 at 09:50 PM |
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I don't think that would work as it's all canbus.
I think the ford kit is pretty good value for a ready mapped oem bosch ecu.
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Fcck2000
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| posted on 13/10/16 at 10:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sdh2903
I'm currently building a westfield with one. Although not using the crate kit that westfield sell. My build thread is here
build thread
Basically mk3 mx5 5 speed box bolts straight up using mk3 mx5 flywheel, clutch, and starter. I've gone for a competition clutch stage 2.
I'm using the Ford racing controls pack which comes with ecu, harness, uego sensor, fly by wire pedal, fuse and relay box and a few other bits.
Ready mapped out of the box with an 80lbft increase in torque over the standard map. Whispers are this will be come tunable in the near future.
Engine weight is around the 140kgs with flywheel and all ancillaries and turbo.
Engines are cheap. I got a 2014 engine with less than 10k on it for around 1700 and I sold the dmf, clutch, starter and ac compressor.
Sump wise I'm hoping to get away with standard as I'm using a scooped bonnet. If using a shorter sump there will be mods needed as
I'm pretty sure there's a balancer shaft in there. I'd imagine the sumps will be same bolt pattern as the duratec.
Perfect just the info I was looking for, thank you for the link will be keeping an eye on your build.
Tiger SSC
220bhp on standard MZR Duratec engine with throttle bodies and mild camshaft upgrade.
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Fcck2000
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| posted on 16/10/16 at 09:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fcck2000
quote:
Originally posted by sdh2903
I'm currently building a westfield with one. Although not using the crate kit that westfield sell. My build thread is here
build thread
Basically mk3 mx5 5 speed box bolts straight up using mk3 mx5 flywheel, clutch, and starter. I've gone for a competition clutch stage 2.
I'm using the Ford racing controls pack which comes with ecu, harness, uego sensor, fly by wire pedal, fuse and relay box and a few other bits.
Ready mapped out of the box with an 80lbft increase in torque over the standard map. Whispers are this will be come tunable in the near future.
Engine weight is around the 140kgs with flywheel and all ancillaries and turbo.
Engines are cheap. I got a 2014 engine with less than 10k on it for around 1700 and I sold the dmf, clutch, starter and ac compressor.
Sump wise I'm hoping to get away with standard as I'm using a scooped bonnet. If using a shorter sump there will be mods needed as
I'm pretty sure there's a balancer shaft in there. I'd imagine the sumps will be same bolt pattern as the duratec.
Perfect just the info I was looking for, thank you for the link will be keeping an eye on your build.
I currently have the Specialist Components ECU which I'm more than happy with. They can supply loom and ECU for £1550 or exchange loom and ECU
for £1400
http://twinkam.co.uk/Ford-20-Ecoboost-Management-Kit
Might be of interest
Tiger SSC
220bhp on standard MZR Duratec engine with throttle bodies and mild camshaft upgrade.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 16/10/16 at 10:02 PM |
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Price has come down a bit on that since I was looking. There only going to get more accessible these engines as they get more widely used. I like the
idea of the aftermarket ecu however would take someone with a bit of experience to remap I imagine.
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Fcck2000
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| posted on 16/10/16 at 10:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sdh2903
Price has come down a bit on that since I was looking. There only going to get more accessible these engines as they get more widely used. I like the
idea of the aftermarket ecu however would take someone with a bit of experience to remap I imagine.
I know Troy at Northampton motorsports was not so keen on the software. I used Gordon at street racers in syston leicester. Was his first time with it
and never complained, I think he no recommends it on certain builds.
Tiger SSC
220bhp on standard MZR Duratec engine with throttle bodies and mild camshaft upgrade.
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sdh2903
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| posted on 16/10/16 at 10:51 PM |
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I was aiming more at the ecoboost specific mapping. I know sbd have put some serious hours in their kit and it's mapping.
Nms are involved with the mygales I believe but they use a Life ecu I think.
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scootz
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| posted on 17/10/16 at 09:05 AM |
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I get why the 1.0 Ecoboost is attractive as it's absolutely tiny (still pretty heavy though!).
But what's the advantage of the 1.6 / 2.0 Ecoboost over the likes of the GM Z20LET / LER / LEH units? Similar weight, similar power potential,
but the GM unit is cheaper, and there's no direct-injection issues to overcome.
It's Evolution Baby!
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sdh2903
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| posted on 17/10/16 at 10:07 AM |
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I'm guessing availability and popularity. And the fact they are relatively new.
The 1.6 in my eyes is the one to have. It's smaller and lighter, sigma bell housing pattern and cheap as chips. I went for the 2.0 just based on
the fact I could get a plug and play oem ecu ready mapped with everything for 1500 quid and the fact that plentiful mx5 gearboxes are available. I had
every intention of going for a duratec with my current build and aiming for 200bhp. By the time you've bought engine, sump, throttle bodies, ecu
and possibly cams and had it mapped the costs are pretty comparable with using the ecoboost. Yet my engine is only 2 years old and <10k on it.
Tuning potential is very good aswell. The 1.6 has been taken to 300bhp on stock internals.
I can't really comment on the gm units as I know nothing about them to be honest.
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