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flak monkey

posted on 15/3/19 at 03:31 PM Reply With Quote
It's really quiet...

...on here these days, compared to the good old days at least It's nice to see a lot of the old faces are still here though and I am enjoying being back.

Are less people building the 'Locost' cars now and instead going down the route of the manufacturers spin offs? Or is it just quiet like a lot of forums due to FB killing it off a bit?





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steve m

posted on 15/3/19 at 04:15 PM Reply With Quote
your not alone in thinking its very quite here

I think its a "generation thing" as in the kids today want everything given to them NOW, and building a car is
in some case a 20+ year project, not a buy it now option

Also, an awful lot of us, and I know this does not include you , grew up with Lego, Meccano and the like, so building a car is an extension of our childhood, well it is in my case, as im still a child at 59

Most of the younger generation only know Faceache, mobiles, and play stations, and wouldnt even know what a spanner is

To sum up what ive said above, my Son is 42, and wouldn't even know how to open a bonnet of a car, as that's what garages do when its serviced

My Grandson is 19, and ive only seen him once this year, as he lives 24/7 apart from work in his bedroom
The only way my Daughter can get him downstairs for food or whatever is to turn the router off in the lounge

says it all really

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jps

posted on 15/3/19 at 04:18 PM Reply With Quote
There's a lot of people posting on the Haynes Roadster Facebook group - but it seems to me that the general level of knowledge and advice kicking around on that group is less than on here.

Personally I mainly use Locostbuilders (and the Haynes forum) as places I can *search* - in almost every case the my questions have been asked and answered by others before - I just don't see the FB groups as useable in that way.

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Nile_rt

posted on 15/3/19 at 04:20 PM Reply With Quote
I think you're being a bit harsh on the "younger generation". Most people I know in their 20s and 30s struggle to afford to buy a house. Building or even owning a kit car is a luxury most young people can't afford.
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Benzine

posted on 15/3/19 at 04:28 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
it's really quiet...




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rusty nuts

posted on 15/3/19 at 04:37 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Nile_rt
I think you're being a bit harsh on the "younger generation". Most people I know in their 20s and 30s struggle to afford to buy a house. Building or even owning a kit car is a luxury most young people can't afford.


Most of them have the latest phone that needs to be surgically removed!

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NigeEss

posted on 15/3/19 at 08:33 PM Reply With Quote
I've been sidetracked by an Austin A35 project !





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Simon

posted on 15/3/19 at 09:16 PM Reply With Quote
Shhh, we're sleeping

I've noticed it as well - I think when the original book(s?) came out it was quite a novelty to build a scratch built car; the donors were plentiful, really cheap and there was a lot of people who were keen - hence this website has been so popular.

Now all the Escorts are worth the price of a small house and the Sierras have been scrapped, parts aren't so readily available and those that are, are really expensive.

I know there are BMW/MX5 etc based kits around but I tend to agree with the comments about the youths of today - our two are (as are all their friends!!) glued to PCs/consoles all the time.

I started doing the Scimitar but couldn't get "into" it (state of mind didn't help) so abandoned it. I restored a velosolex which was fun but quite a quick process which suits my impatient mentality.

Still, going to make a project out of my Triumph Daytona - but buy a spare engine to build everything around. Turns out my neighbour has a contact who drag races a turbo bike so that'll be the electronic side sorted out

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SJ

posted on 15/3/19 at 09:21 PM Reply With Quote
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I think you're being a bit harsh on the "younger generation". Most people I know in their 20s and 30s struggle to afford to buy a house. Building or even owning a kit car is a luxury most young people can't afford.



I thought that in my 30's. Gave my Alfasud Sprint away cos I never thought 'd have a garage. Gutted now

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Andybarbet

posted on 15/3/19 at 09:46 PM Reply With Quote
Yep, a bit quiet as of late but some of us are still here trying to fulfil an ambition to build our own car.

My life took a turn about 12 years ago, as in divorce/loosing my house & everything else but I've still got my chassis etc & continue to buy the odd bit here & there when I can afford it.

I've slowly rebuilt my life & finally managed to buy a house again after 10 years saving for a deposit & getting back on my feet.

My current wife is very supportive of me in my hobby but unfortunately she was struck down by the dreaded Mulitple sclerosis so funds are tight with just my wage covering most things at the moment.

I will be here as long as the site exists & I will hopefully post up pictures of me sitting in a road registered car I've built myself at some point :-)

[Edited on 15/3/19 by Andybarbet]





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owelly

posted on 15/3/19 at 11:28 PM Reply With Quote
IMHO, the cost of building a car has increased a lot! The IVA is another set of hoops to jump through which puts a lot of folks off, plus for those wanting a nippy open top car, you can pick a budget, and buy something already built...by a major manufacturer. I know that's not the point of the Locost but it's what folks see.
I'll still be scratting about in the shed building dodgy piles of crap from random bits of detritus.





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fazerruss

posted on 16/3/19 at 08:28 AM Reply With Quote
I've noticed there isn't as much content as there used to be. I've still not finished my Avon that I started about 12 years ago. Life and other projects get in the way but I now have a 7 year old trainee locoster who want to help when I jump back in. I spent just over a year making him a toy crane.

https://youtu.be/tTejbZVkb3Y

Also did a milling machine restoration/ conversation
https://youtu.be/0_HNFg1L9Vs
Oh and I built the garage.





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Angel Acevedo

posted on 16/3/19 at 11:01 AM Reply With Quote
Well, for me, less traffic is an indicator of the amount of knowledge covered already.
I would post more pictures to show how I have made some stuff, but still can´t...





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CosKev3

posted on 16/3/19 at 11:10 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Nile_rt
I think you're being a bit harsh on the "younger generation". Most people I know in their 20s and 30s struggle to afford to buy a house. Building or even owning a kit car is a luxury most young people can't afford.


Exactly that is the main reason.

I think the older generation posting here that paid 30k for a good sized house when they were younger don't realise,or don't want to know,the cost of just living these days compared to what people can earn.

A kit car sat in the garage is a massive luxury!

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steve m

posted on 16/3/19 at 07:27 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CosKev3
quote:
Originally posted by Nile_rt
I think you're being a bit harsh on the "younger generation". Most people I know in their 20s and 30s struggle to afford to buy a house. Building or even owning a kit car is a luxury most young people can't afford.


Exactly that is the main reason.

I think the older generation posting here that paid 30k for a good sized house when they were younger don't realise,or don't want to know,the cost of just living these days compared to what people can earn.

A kit car sat in the garage is a massive luxury!


I think you may of got your figures wrong slightly, as my parent house cost £8500 in 1969, when the there total earnings a week came to £125, and that equats to about 17 times my Parent salarys and not guaranteed, and the house was paid for in 1980

My house at 2005 equated to 8.5 times my salary, all paid for now

My Son and wife earn 75k a year, but cant afford to buy a house. ?????????????
They can afford a £750k place, but its not good enough for them, plus to my amazement, they spent there deposit on a Brand new car ???

That's why the modern day youngsters cant buy a house, as in there pathetic minds, they HAVE to have a new car, phone, fashion etc, yet somewhere to live doesn't come into the equation





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CosKev3

posted on 16/3/19 at 07:59 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
quote:
Originally posted by CosKev3
quote:
Originally posted by Nile_rt
I think you're being a bit harsh on the "younger generation". Most people I know in their 20s and 30s struggle to afford to buy a house. Building or even owning a kit car is a luxury most young people can't afford.


Exactly that is the main reason.

I think the older generation posting here that paid 30k for a good sized house when they were younger don't realise,or don't want to know,the cost of just living these days compared to what people can earn.

A kit car sat in the garage is a massive luxury!


I think you may of got your figures wrong slightly, as my parent house cost £8500 in 1969, when the there total earnings a week came to £125, and that equats to about 17 times my Parent salarys and not guaranteed, and the house was paid for in 1980

My house at 2005 equated to 8.5 times my salary, all paid for now

My Son and wife earn 75k a year, but cant afford to buy a house. ?????????????
They can afford a £750k place, but its not good enough for them, plus to my amazement, they spent there deposit on a Brand new car ???

That's why the modern day youngsters cant buy a house, as in there pathetic minds, they HAVE to have a new car, phone, fashion etc, yet somewhere to live doesn't come into the equation


Your son and his Mrs are no good to compare to average wages!

They need their arses kicking.

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steve m

posted on 16/3/19 at 08:46 PM Reply With Quote
Yes they do, but there salaries in the South east are not unusual, and neither have particularly good jobs, but their expenditure stlll out weighs their income, and their lifestyle also, hence no house

I still believe, that the current "youngsters" require an awful lot of possessions in their sweaty palms before even thinking of were they could live

steve





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Simon

posted on 16/3/19 at 09:04 PM Reply With Quote
Our two (18 and 16) both have part time jobs and do quite well at birthdays and xmas and I keep telling them (for the last couple of years), they need upwards of £40 grand for a deposit on a house and they really should top squandering their money.

They don't listen but hey...

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Nile_rt

posted on 16/3/19 at 10:35 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
quote:
Originally posted by CosKev3
quote:
Originally posted by Nile_rt
I think you're being a bit harsh on the "younger generation". Most people I know in their 20s and 30s struggle to afford to buy a house. Building or even owning a kit car is a luxury most young people can't afford.


Exactly that is the main reason.

I think the older generation posting here that paid 30k for a good sized house when they were younger don't realise,or don't want to know,the cost of just living these days compared to what people can earn.

A kit car sat in the garage is a massive luxury!


I think you may of got your figures wrong slightly, as my parent house cost £8500 in 1969, when the there total earnings a week came to £125, and that equats to about 17 times my Parent salarys and not guaranteed, and the house was paid for in 1980

My house at 2005 equated to 8.5 times my salary, all paid for now

My Son and wife earn 75k a year, but cant afford to buy a house. ?????????????
They can afford a £750k place, but its not good enough for them, plus to my amazement, they spent there deposit on a Brand new car ???

That's why the modern day youngsters cant buy a house, as in there pathetic minds, they HAVE to have a new car, phone, fashion etc, yet somewhere to live doesn't come into the equation


£125 per week is an annual salary of over 6k. So your parents house cost less than 1.5 times annual salary. Today the ratio is closer to 10 times if you're buying by yourself.

Please don't generalise all youngsters as materialistic w*nkers just because your children are.

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femster87

posted on 17/3/19 at 12:53 AM Reply With Quote
£125 per week is an annual salary of over 6k. So your parents house cost less than 1.5 times annual salary. Today the ratio is closer to 10 times if you're buying by yourself.

Please don't generalise all youngsters as materialistic w*nkers just because your children are.


Lmao.

Even with a salary of 75K. Take home is around £4500/month. In the south east it will take you forever saving for a deposit on a house. Assuming you have one kid and no holidays. Just going to work and come back home. With average house prices around £473K.I assume your kids are currently renting, with average prices of £641/week. that is more than 50% of their salary

https://www.foxtons.co.uk/living-in/south-east-england/

Older people do make me laugh, when they all comment on the kids of this generation. I will gladly trade places with most of you with your great pensions and easy of getting jobs when you started out. My child care cost alone is much more than my mortgage



[Edited on 17/3/19 by femster87]

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Charlie C

posted on 17/3/19 at 06:39 AM Reply With Quote
Its not just the cost of a house its also most affordable house bont come with driveways or garages. A few years ago when i want to start building i did have the money or the space. I lived in a flat and was saving for a house, when my now wife and i bought a house it had no drive and a garage in a block away from the house. That was 12 years ago and its only got harder for people since then, so new kit cars enthusiasts have to wait longer in life to have the money space and time. From personal experience buying a house later in life means starting a family later, so heading towards mid life crisis time at rocket speed speed, comfort and bolt-on ability are desirable so lots of would be builders buy a fast tin tops and go on track days.
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MikeR

posted on 17/3/19 at 07:13 AM Reply With Quote
Wow. This thread went completely differently to what I expected. I was going to post the problem with this site is it doesn't work with a phone. That pushes people away. Other forums like migweb are still popular.

However I generally agreed the disposable income. / House cost has a massive impact on this forum. Combined with less people being practical and more buying solutions than fixing means this heads to bring more and more niche.

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DavidhMX5

posted on 17/3/19 at 08:37 AM Reply With Quote
Guess I'm lucky with my kids. Daughter (24) and partner have just completed on their first house. 3 bed with garage.
Son (22) will probably buy with his partner in the next 3 years. That said neither of them wanted the terraced type house my wife and I bought as our first and yes they both have latest phones etc. Daughters car is 3 years old, son until recently had a Golf R bought new but has now seen sense and bought himself a mk 2 MX5 which he is super charging. Neither have huge salaries.
I've seen both sides of the not knowing one end of a spanner from the other. Son has huge engineering knowledge covering CNC milling, turning setup, design, electronics, plc programming, welding (mig & tig in all weldable metals). He loves what he does. The apprentice we have is the opposite end of the scale. No real interest, can't use a screwdriver.
Son wants to build a car but may well have to wait until he has a house as the garage has my bits in. Despite his abilities he is likely to go the GBS route rather than locost. There is still the want it now streak which does exist in the younger generation. He struggles with the idea that I am in no rush to build and for me the enjoyment of the build is as important if not more so than the finished car.
I'm late 50's and only just started my build. I've wanted to build one for decades but was held back by not having the facilities or equipment to create the car I wanted. Sure I could have built on years ago but would have been disappointed with the result. Following redundancy from my IT career and a move in to engineering (work for same company as son) those barriers no longer exist.
I'm not very active on here atm as build is in very early stages. Also spent time rebuilding old equipment at work that was no longer used and had sat outside for many years (chop saw and grit blaster) which will be useful during the build. I don't think anyone would be interested in that stuff or the rebuild of the engine which is what I'm doing atm It's a standard forge build of Mazda BP4W. Chassis should be built over easter at work then progress will be more rapid, interesting, frustrating and I will post more.
Younger generation don't tend to use forums. If son wants to know how to do something he hits Youtube which I admit is very good as long as you have enough knowledge to know when the info being presented is bull crap. Knowledge on here I trust so please keep looking all you experienced builders as us rookies still need you.

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Bluemoon

posted on 17/3/19 at 09:18 AM Reply With Quote
Maybe we should all post more ! To be fair fb has a fair bit of kit crelated traffic maybe we should start pushing the site on FB? All of us with accounts could do that?

Dan

[Edited on 17/3/19 by Bluemoon]

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CosKev3

posted on 17/3/19 at 10:13 AM Reply With Quote
This forum still runs on coal!

I've given up on trying to upload pics anymore,unless you send a photo in via Royal Mail you can't get any on here!

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